Nvidia Disables PhysX Support on Vendor Mixed GPU Setups – Driver Update 340.52 Onwards

[Geeman1979]

For me 5850s ran as single card were spot on, but in crossfire were ****.

 

[ALXAndy]

My last Nvidia gpu Andy was a GeForce 440MX.

EDIT

5870 was a great card and so was the 5850. Loved my 5850 though i got a really crap clocker.

That whole range of Nvidia GPU were absolutely atrocious.

My 3Dlabs Oxygen 32mb absolutely slaughtered it.

For me 5850s ran as single card were spot on, but in crossfire were ****.

Well we know it as fact now. Any Crossfire pairing pre PCPER attack and exposure did not work properly, end of argument.

 

[Silent_Scone]

440MX was a Geforce 2MX on steriods.

Wow Matt you really went out with a bang. Explains the blind hatred


Andy, so the GF 4 4600Ti was rubbish?...

Bit out of some of your price range at the time I bet

 

[Martini1991]

Actually I typed 5870 PowerPlay. Not really googling an issue at all.




Sigh


Ivory Tower of Rose Tinted Warriors indeed

There's nothing rose tinted about it.
The 5870 as a single GPU wasn't terrible, I tried the first iteration of eyefinity (Which showed bugs with Powerplay, since the memory was at 300MHZ, and it'd cause tearing unless you broke powerplay)

I owned a 5870 at launch, I owned a 5770 Crossfire, I owned a 5850, and I owned a 5970.

That said, I preferred the 470 SLI I used at the same from a performance stand point as the 470/480 were better performers than AMD's lot.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Crossfire was bad since the beginning.

Runt/dropped frames were abundant right from day one, AMD remained 'slap happy' about it and figured people would put up with it.

Now that's all well and good if you don't mind a bit of stuttering but if you're of a sensitive disposition like me you can spot it time and again.

I got duped into buying two 5770s because I quote "They're every bit as fast as, or faster than a 5870 and only cost £250 a pair, rather than £300+ for a 5870".

However, that was Tiny Logan who isn't very good at pointing out flaws.

Thus, my time with 5770 Crossfire was full of runt frames, dropped frames, false FPS readings, stutter, all out refusal to work even though I had the profile installed.. Renaming .exes to get them working ETC ETC.

A real whore's breakfast. I vowed never to go Crossfire again and kept my word right up until PCPER caught them out and forced them to do something about it. The 7990 was crap when I got it, but, now that I've ditched it for SLI Titans it seems to be working flawlessly.

Sod's law eh?

I am not sure runt frames were a problem on anything bar GCN. I could be wrong though but all the testing i have seen was GCN. I have played plenty of games on a 5970 and the experience was pretty good. I was always in the get a 5870 and never get 2 weaker 5770's even if now and then they were faster. I would rather rely on hardware compared to drivers.

 

[Silent_Scone]

There's nothing rose tinted about it.
The 5870 as a single GPU wasn't terrible.

I owned a 5870 at launch, I owned a 5770 Crossfire, I owned a 5850, and I owned a 5970.

That said, I preferred the 470 SLI I used at the same from a performance stand point as the 470/480 were better performers than AMD's lot.

Ok terrible is maybe a bit strong.

Let's just say it was a far better experience on fermi even with the power/heat, because AMDs driver suite was...

Pretty uninspiring? Am I allowed to say that lol

 

[Martini1991]

I am not sure runt frames were a problem on anything bar GCN. I could be wrong though but all the testing i have seen was GCN. I have played plenty of games on a 5970 and the experience was pretty good. I was always in the get a 5870 and never get 2 weaker 5770's even if now and then they were faster. I would rather rely on hardware compared to drivers.

I'm more with you than Andy, I had pretty perfect crossfire experiences with both the 6XXX and 5XXX.

 

[ALXAndy]

There's nothing rose tinted about it.
The 5870 as a single GPU wasn't terrible.

I owned a 5870 at launch, I owned a 5770 Crossfire, I owned a 5850, and I owned a 5970.

That said, I preferred the 470 SLI I used at the same from a performance stand point as the 470/480 were better performers than AMD's lot.

I've always had better experiences with SLI. Mainly because Nvidia, like Physx and anything else they can have a one up on cared about it.

It was their software that caught out AMD. Funny really, you don't usually see them wanting to help the competition

Jokes aside though I've ran loads of SLI set ups. Even Quad SLI GTX 295 single PCB and the only issue I had with that was sleeping.. It was kinda weird, but basically as soon as you finished a level or some new level loaded it automatically disabled GPUs 3 and 4. In the end I just had to go into each profile in the drivers and change it to "Prefer maximum performance" and then it was fine.

But yeah, SLI 8600GT (later in the day mind, I got them super cheap and they went into my secondary rig) GTX 295, GTX 480 for 3D ,GTX 670.. Always been keen on SLI. It's one thing Nvidia obviously did better than ATI/AMD without being childish or brand loyal. It just worked much better, which now days we know as fact rather than just some fanboy saying "SLI is better than Crossfire".

All of that extra scaling that Crossfire gave was all lost as soon as Frame Pacing came around. Scaling levels and FPS dropped, hardly a surprise.

I'm more with you than Andy, I had pretty perfect crossfire experiences with both the 6XXX and 5XXX.

Factually you didn't, you are just less fussy than some. That's fine of course.

 

[LtMatt]

Runt frames are solved by using vsync, so anyone who used vsync immediately cured themselves of runt frames. Regarding frame variance that was fixable by capping fps. As long as you could maintain that fps, then you would have a buttery smooth experience. I certainly did that from 6950 crossfire onwards.

 

[ALXAndy]

Runt frames are solved by using vsync, so anyone who used vsync immediately cured themselves of runt frames. Regarding frame variance that was fixable by capping fps. As long as you could maintain that fps, then you would have a buttery smooth experience. I certainly did that from 6950 crossfire onwards.

Dropped frames were not though. The ones partially carried out, causing tear no matter if you had Vsync on or not.

Don't mind me dude, I'm just obnoxiously anal about any sort of stuttering or tearing whatsoever. I'm a touchy SOB at the best of times and hyper sensitive. Crossfire just ****ed me off right from the beginning.

As I said, I pretty much retired the 7990 shortly after getting it. Gorgeous, sexy wonderful feat of engineering but I was still getting poor performance and stuttering.

Just built it into a rig for my lovely lady, guess what? bugger works perfectly on the latest drivers

Typical, and ironic. She bought it for me

 

[layte]

The only part the 5870 didn't laugh at was performance.

GTX 480 was epic late. ATI had been making DX11 hay for months and months.They literally stole the show all to themselves.
GTX 480 cost £400+ At launch the 5870 was £350 IIRC.
GTX 480 used an epic amount of power.
GTX 480 got epic hot.
GTX 480 was obnoxiously loud.

All it had over the 5870 was better performance with lots of FSAA. That was literally it. Yet people (not that many, mind) still bought 480s.

5870 was excellent on its own, yet, people still wanted Physx.

http://www.ngohq.com/graphic-cards/17706-hybrid-physx-mod-v1-03-v1-05ff-194.html

194 pages of people wanting to run a second Nvidia card with an ATI/AMD.

194 pages

It didn't just beat it's performance. I remember my WC'd pair of 480's easily beating a particularly obnoxious AMD 5000 series tri-fire owners scores in pretty much all benchmarks. I even made a thread calling them out with numbers and everything. In the end team tri-fire bottled it. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18168653

If you could tame the heat, 480's were absolute monsters, they were the last high end cards NV made before they put in that stupid over current protection rubbish, you could pump crazy volts through them.

I had those 480's well past the launch of the 7900 series from AMD, it they still maxed out pretty much everything everything @1600p/60fps I doubt anyone with 5800 cards could say the same thing.

 

[ALXAndy]

Yet despite all that I remember my WC'd pair of 480's easily beating a particularly obnoxious AMD 5000 series tri-fire owners scores in pretty much all benchmarks. I even made a thread calling them out with numbers and everything. In the end team tri-fire bottled it. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18168653

If you could tame the heat, 480's were absolute monsters, they were the last high end cards NV made before they put in that stupid over current protection rubbish, you could pump crazy volts through them.

I had those 480's well past the launch of the 7900 series from AMD, it they still maxed out pretty much everything everything @1600p/60fps I doubt anyone with 5800 cards could say the same thing.

I've still got a 480 matey. 480 Lightning, the first 'out of the box great' Fermi.

I won't replace it either, it's a forking beast.

Tri Fire, Quadfire, been there done that got the Tshirt mate. Bought a pair of 3770s for £90 just to see if I was missing anything.

Took me about a week to get Crysis to work, benchmarks were awful all apart from Vantage.

BFBC2 liked it, though. Actually beat my 5770s lol.

 

[Silent_Scone]

It didn't just beat it's performance. I remember my WC'd pair of 480's easily beating a particularly obnoxious AMD 5000 series tri-fire owners scores in pretty much all benchmarks. I even made a thread calling them out with numbers and everything. In the end team tri-fire bottled it. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18168653

If you could tame the heat, 480's were absolute monsters, they were the last high end cards NV made before they put in that stupid over current protection rubbish, you could pump crazy volts through them.

I had those 480's well past the launch of the 7900 series from AMD, it they still maxed out pretty much everything everything @1600p/60fps I doubt anyone with 5800 cards could say the same thing.

Uh, it's not Hotrod by any chance is it lol. He's not so bad mind

 

[TheRealDeal]

It didn't just beat it's performance. I remember my WC'd pair of 480's easily beating a particularly obnoxious AMD 5000 series tri-fire owners scores in pretty much all benchmarks. I even made a thread calling them out with numbers and everything. In the end team tri-fire bottled it. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18168653

If you could tame the heat, 480's were absolute monsters, they were the last high end cards NV made before they put in that stupid over current protection rubbish, you could pump crazy volts through them.

I had those 480's well past the launch of the 7900 series from AMD, it they still maxed out pretty much everything everything @1600p/60fps I doubt anyone with 5800 cards could say the same thing.

I remember this well. Your 480's were beasts when tamed under water as were most fermi cards. They started out as jokes but when tamed and pushed they were massively fast.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Sounds a lot like Hawaii

 

[ubersonic]

Andy, so the GF 4 4600Ti was rubbish?...

I think he's talking exclusively about the GF4 MX line, which like people have said was just beefed up rebrands of the budget GF2 line, the GF3 ti and high end GF2 cards smoked em as did the Radeon 8x00/9x00 series.



Oh and guys, does anyone have a pair of binoculars? we're so far from the topic I can't even see it any more...

 

[LambChop]

I remember the 290's well too..... stupidly hot, screaming loud, throttle masters took other manufacturers to fix it for AMD.....

Now can we stop reminiscing ?

 

[Silent_Scone]

I think he's talking exclusively about the GF4 MX line, which like people have said was just beefed up rebrands of the budget GF2 line, the GF3 ti and high end GF2 cards smoked em as did the Radeon 8x00/9x00 series.



Oh and guys, does anyone have a pair of binoculars? we're so far from the topic I can't even see it any more...

I know, it was me who said it

GeForce MX200 wasn't a budget card. Actually ok it was, but a damn fine one