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Nvidia disables PhysX when ATI card is present with an Nvidia card for windows 7.
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Not if you use that ATI card as well.
You used to be able to in windows 7 but not no more.
You used to be able to in windows 7 but not no more.
Im not the least bit surprised by this.
No logic at all with that there is no trace of NV drivers because they must have changed something that was not put back to as it was.
Hey i don't understand why people are dying after drinking that batch of coca cola , all traces of arsenic was removed from those reused bottles.
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for everything else.
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NV are talking complete crap as regards to using the gfx card as physics processor with other vendor cards as the NV card is just another computation device just like the CPU when doing physics but only quicker at it.
You don't see Intel saying that Its CPU does not work with ATI/AMD gfx cards when running Havok nether did you see Ageia saying anything of the sort.
You don't see Intel saying that Its CPU does not work with ATI/AMD gfx cards when running Havok nether did you see Ageia saying anything of the sort.
What happens to PhysX to OpenCL, NV don't want it running on other gfx cards ?
Why don't NV disable CUDA as well under the same conditions & reasons ?
Why don't NV disable CUDA as well under the same conditions & reasons ?
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Cant guarantee is goes with the territory when its come to the PC by its very nature of mix & match to suite you from an ever changing choice of components.
What if Asus brought out there own brand of ram & claimed we can't guarantee compatibility or quality of the experience our motherboards when combined with products from another company so any another brand of ram will be disabled.
Asus Xonar we can't guarantee compatibility or quality of the experience our motherboards when combined with products from another company so any another brand of soundcard will be disabled.
The list could go on.
Its one thing to disable Phsyx when the NV card is not doing the rendering. but do disable at the mere existence of any other competing product is not on because they not dictating what hardware i can run Phsyx on, they are dictating what hardware i can have in my PC period, no matter what my intentions.
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Its not really about PhysX its about the behaviour of NV as if you tolerate this then they may do something next that really matters.
You don't wait for the cancer to spread to vital organs before treating.
As far as i know no other manufacture disables features just at the detection of a competing product & they could all jump on the same band wagon then the PC would barely function with all the competing hardware & software.
Its bad enough even when they are trying to work with each other.
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You have a link to the officially written to ATI offer from NV.
Because i never seen anything of the sort.
Its did work in XP by the way it didn't in Vista because of the OS.
The fact is People who own an ATI product are not ATI nether are they a representative of ATI for purchasing an ATI product.
The bit that is not sinking in with some people is that its ok for them stop the PhysX working when another card is running the game, which i have no problem with. but its not ok to tell me that i must have only NV cards in my PC to use it. The customer is not a competitor.
That's exactly what Intel was doing to the wholesalers & OEM`s years ago & got fined & even then Intel was not silly enough to say you must not stock AMD at all but just a specific percentage & no more or else the deals are off.
Microsoft got slapped for telling wholesalers & OEM`s not to sell Linux based PC or else.
Now NV is doing it to the customers.
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What rock you been under for the last year?
http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/602205/nvidia-offers-physx-support-to-amd--ati.html
That is not an official to ATI Letter.
That is NV released to the internet general statement.
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Couldn't get through my re-enforced steel door on the top floor
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Open invitation does not count when its addressed to the public without it being sent specifically to possible interested parties, this is not a pubic event so it would not be taken seriously.
CUDA is not an open standard for it to be open it would have to have equal control by the involved parties or be controlled by an independent consortium.
For that reason alone ATI have right not to adopt any standard just because a competitor said so.
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It would have been very naive & gullible of ATI.
Sorry, but is that not basically the same thing? They are stating what you need to get PhysX running and what has been tested and passed through QA. Have you seen a statement from NV or got a link to any official letter from NV saying that PhysX will run alongside ATI hardware? I've not seen anything.
And by stating they don't support it and removing the ability to enable it in the situation they are protecting themselves from backlash if something goes wrong. There would need to be clear and concise info on all their products that if run alongside ATI hardware no support is provided. Would you go and spend £70 on say a 9600 for Physx that had a big sticker on it saying "Support for running alongside ATI hardware not available"? I know i sure wouldn't.
It's all business in the end and NV aren't there primarily for the good of the comsumers, as much as we'd like it that way, they're there to make $$$. they certainly make some questionable decisions though!
Unless it is stated on the box that there is an issue or possible issues when installed in the same PC as an ATI card then they have no claim.
When buying from an Etailer it also must be stated in the product description.
Standard disclamer
Means there is no guarantee of 1066 on 4 slots but they do not disable the 1066 option when 4 slots are in use.
The very nature of the PC & the available amount different hardware & software means that there is never 100% assurance of everything working with everything & any company who are to scared of that fact & starts disabling features when other hardware & software is on the same PC should not be in the PC business. Other software & hardware vendors get blamed day in & day out for things that are not there fault. that's just the way the PC is & always will be as it offers so much freedom of choice.
If everyone did what NV is doing because it cant give 100% assurance then the PC would be a closed platform.
NV should just make gfx cards for a closed system like Apple where its nice & cosy.
The clichés of NV is there to make money should not even be mentioned as 99% of businesses are.
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Thought physics acceleration on the CPU was terrible anyway... why would anyone want it to switch to CPU
If you think Havok is terrible then i can see why you would think that.
The CPU is capable of physics as we have seen over the years with Havok on the PC & consoles, it just cant do as much as when its run on the GPU.
With the new Havok the load can be balanced between the GPU & the CPU depending on the implementation.
I thought it was self explanatory already.
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snip!
Even the unoptimised PhysX acceleration on the CPU path can get the job done even when they try to make out otherwise.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18043663
A very simplistic view of the thread.