nVidia G-Sync

PCM2 · 19 Oct 2013 at 07:48

Dash RipRock said:
Taken from the nvidia FAQ on g-sync....

Q: What are the resolutions of G-SYNC monitors?
A: NVIDIA G-SYNC enabled monitors will be available in a variety of resolutions from 1920x1080, to 2560x1440 to 4Kx2K. The Asus VG248QE NVIDIA G-SYNC enabled monitor has a max resolution of 1920x1080.

This would indicate that ips/60 hz panels will be using it,so no need for the image quality/colour guys to discount this tech.hell I may be tempted to drop back to a 60hz ips display with unlocked frame rates and no tearing.Ive wondered for years why this couldn't be done with LCD displays (CRT's obviously would have not been the best with a dynamic refresh ) it seems so obvious although granted it's probably not a simple task.

You'd still be limited to 60fps maximum that the monitor could display, though. The variable refresh rate wouldn't go past 60Hz.

Dash RipRock · 19 Oct 2013 at 09:15

PCM2 said:
You'd still be limited to 60fps maximum that the monitor could display, though. The variable refresh rate wouldn't go past 60Hz.

I know but 60 fps on ips with reduced control latency and no tearing is something I would be willing to sacrifice 120 fps for....maybe

as always I'll try to see it first/read as many impressions of it as I can before making any decisions,but it certainly sounds very promising.Even if I stick with 120 hz and get a new monitor with gsync the ability to fluctuate between 120 to 60 fps with less noticeable stutter/tearing due to unlocking vsync will be a massive improvement.i have 2x670 sli and maintaining 120 can be tricky on most new games,if your sensible with your settings you can get close but any slight drop to say 110 can feel a bit jarring when you have such smoothness interrupted by a sudden frame drop that causes duplicate frames.

I think maintaining 80 to 120 fps with some minor quality settings dropped a notch or two should be possible now even on some of the more demanding titles.And if as promised the rapid fluctuation of frames becomes unnoticeable then,as carmack said you truly can have your cake and eat it

kthula666 · 19 Oct 2013 at 13:53

Just watched this on Guru3D Nvidia announced G-Sync - eliminates stutter and screen tearing with a daughter module.

Very nice to see a clear change in views.

If the daughter module is is going to mean a new lcd there goes my 305T and having to source another similar type or better with that module.

Good times ahead.

HighlandeR · 19 Oct 2013 at 15:31

Has this new Nvidia tech stopped any guys from jumping on a new TFT and 290X ?

TruthSeeker · 19 Oct 2013 at 19:33

Sounds good but I can't say I noticed variable frame rates with v-sync on.

Gazb · 20 Oct 2013 at 23:00

HighlandeR said:
Has this new Nvidia tech stopped any guys from jumping on a new TFT and 290X ?

Possibly, though for some people who also plug in their laptops into their monitors this feature will be useless unless it supported all graphics cards/chips.

rpggamesplayer · 21 Oct 2013 at 12:32

FoxEye said:
I'm dubious. For someone like me, who isn't bothered by screen tearing - no, not even slightly - how is this game changing? Or is there more to it?

Even with vsync off the frame fluctuation will cause stutter and tearing can become unbearable

Tute · 21 Oct 2013 at 13:24

Jokester said:
That vid is great. I think I've found a reason to retire my monitor.

I would feel the same if I honestly thought there would be a 27" or better IPS panel at or near launch that would rival what I currently have for not much more.

I just can't get excited about this - i'm sure for people moving from decent large IPS screens there won't be a lot of choice, and what there is will be largely overpriced.

I'd love to be proved wrong, of course.

andybird123 · 21 Oct 2013 at 15:51

Tute said:
I would feel the same if I honestly thought there would be a 27" or better IPS panel at or near launch that would rival what I currently have for not much more.

I just can't get excited about this - i'm sure for people moving from decent large IPS screens there won't be a lot of choice, and what there is will be largely overpriced.

I'd love to be proved wrong, of course.

the ASUS PB278Q is the current 1440p they do, this is probably the one getting the Gsync treatment... it's PLS rather than IPS but out of the box it's colour representation is better than most IPS models out there right now
(but then equally, not sure what BenQ, ViewSonic or Phillips will be releasing either)

PCM2 · 21 Oct 2013 at 16:00

andybird123 said:
the ASUS PB278Q is the current 1440p they do, this is probably the one getting the Gsync treatment... it's PLS rather than IPS but out of the box it's colour representation is better than most IPS models out there right now
(but then equally, not sure what BenQ, ViewSonic or Phillips will be releasing either)

By the same token there is the BenQ BL2710PT, ViewSonic VP2770 and Philips 272P4QPJKEB which could all get the 'G-SYNC treatment'. Alternatively there may be completely new models launched with G-SYNC. Just have to wait and see.

R3X · 22 Oct 2013 at 01:05

This g-sync could be the answer to the bit inbetween the never ending wait of IPS type 27" panels with 120hertz?

At least this way its fluid gameplay all the way, wonder if this will also improve kill rates in fps ?

Tute · 22 Oct 2013 at 04:25

andybird123 said:
the ASUS PB278Q is the current 1440p they do, this is probably the one getting the Gsync treatment... it's PLS rather than IPS but out of the box it's colour representation is better than most IPS models out there right now
(but then equally, not sure what BenQ, ViewSonic or Phillips will be releasing either)

PCM2 said:
By the same token there is the BenQ BL2710PT, ViewSonic VP2770 and Philips 272P4QPJKEB which could all get the 'G-SYNC treatment'. Alternatively there may be completely new models launched with G-SYNC. Just have to wait and see.

What would be most ideal is if my U2713HM was upgradable with the G-SYNC module - I'm thinking the chances of that are close to zero though.

Mark Rejhon · 23 Oct 2013 at 21:39

G-SYNC includes a sequel to LightBoost that's better than LightBoost, and officially sanctioned for 2D (probably under an unannounced brand name), probably with better colors and additional strobe rates such as 85Hz and 144Hz. Paste from another forum:

AndyBNV said:
G-SYNC includes a LightBoost sequel for less motion blur than CRT.

When Andy of nVidia was asked whether LightBoost could be combined with G-GSYNC, AndyBNV of nVidia confirmed on NeoGaf:

AndyBNV said:

“We have a superior, low-persistence mode that should outperform that unofficial [LightBoost] implementation, and importantly, it will be available on every G-SYNC monitor. Details will be available at a later date.”.

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This scientifically confirms strobing is used, because of the law of vision physics — there is scientifically no other way to do LightBoost-matching low-persistence (1ms) modes without ultrahigh refresh rates (e.g. 1000fps@1000Hz) or frame interpolation (e.g. 200fps->1000fps). Since both are unlikely with nVidia G-SYNC, this officially confirms backlight strobing to keep visible frame displaytimes short (aka persistence). In addition, John Carmack confirmed on twitter that a better backlight strobe driver is included:

John Carmack (@ID_AA_Carmack) on Twitter said:

“@GuerillaDawg the didn’t talk about it, but this includes an improved lightboost driver, but it is currently a choice — gsync or flashed.”

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Both statements by Andy and John, are confirmations that official backlight strobing (LightBoost) is part of G-SYNC, a 2D motion blur elimination, finally officially sanctioned by nVidia.

In short, all G-SYNC monitors include a LightBoost sequel:
-- G-SYNC mode: Better for variable framerates (less stutters but more blur)
-- Strobe mode: Better for max framerates 120fps@120Hz (zero motion blur)

Today, GtG (pixel transitions) is now shorter than persistence (pixel staticness), most motion blur today is now caused by persistence, as demoed by http://www.testufo.com/eyetracking

Rofflay · 25 Oct 2013 at 01:27

Hmm if this PLS is going to land with 2560x1600 res and GSYNC with the new Lightboost then i am sold. I see no better option out there apart from risky Catleaps and i have been looking to buy a new monitor for over five years.

If Dell did one with thier quality and calibration i would be even more sold. Imagine the 21:9 Dell's with GSYNC. Hopefully with Phillips 21:9 with GSYNC might become a reality. R290X aint got nothing on this as stutter and tearing is the bane of my gaming experience.

implosiveturnip · 25 Oct 2013 at 11:22

Rofflay said:
Hmm if this PLS is going to land with 2560x1600 res and GSYNC with the new Lightboost then i am sold. I see no better option out there apart from risky Catleaps and i have been looking to buy a new monitor for over five years.

If Dell did one with thier quality and calibration i would be even more sold. Imagine the 21:9 Dell's with GSYNC. Hopefully with Phillips 21:9 with GSYNC might become a reality. R290X aint got nothing on this as stutter and tearing is the bane of my gaming experience.

+1

Neil79 · 25 Oct 2013 at 21:19

implosiveturnip said:
+1

PCM2 · 25 Oct 2013 at 21:31

Neil79 said:
implosiveturnip said:

+1

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Twirlywoos · 26 Oct 2013 at 09:52

Arthur Hucksake said:
This looks interesting.

Not entirely sure what this will mean, but if it does what it claims then this could change things.

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/ar...evolutionary-ultra-smooth-stutter-free-gaming

v-sync was also meant to "change things" when in reality it did **** all. The tech just looks good on paper like all nvidia technologies but when it comes to practical use it's just another gimmick.

Twirlywoos · 26 Oct 2013 at 09:57

Rofflay said:
Hmm if this PLS is going to land with 2560x1600 res and GSYNC with the new Lightboost then i am sold. I see no better option out there apart from risky Catleaps and i have been looking to buy a new monitor for over five years.

If Dell did one with thier quality and calibration i would be even more sold. Imagine the 21:9 Dell's with GSYNC. Hopefully with Phillips 21:9 with GSYNC might become a reality. R290X aint got nothing on this as stutter and tearing is the bane of my gaming experience.

monitors are hindering my gpu upgrades...and yes I have a 110hz blurfest QNIX IPS.

kissenger · 26 Oct 2013 at 17:06

So when are the first G-sync monitors going to be available. They sound promising.