***** NVIDIA GT 240 Launch *****

[kieves1]

They will be ok for budget systems id imagine.
Is this launch supposed to detract from the 5970 tomorrow?

 

[LoadsaMoney]

It has been confirmed that they were keeping the cores for their flagship 5970's.

They are hard launching tomorrow, these guys have already said that, so theres your confirmation, they have stock!!!.

Think about it, 5800's are nowhere to be seen, no one has stock, most places have removed them as they can't be got, Newegg have them now listed as PRODUCT NO LONGER AVAILABLE etc..., so how can the 5970's be hard launching, and how can these guys have stock

 

[Rroff]

I think it's just a case of the cards being clocked too low. I mean given their specifications, they're more or less 8800 GS's, allowing for some discrepancies.

You hit the nail on the head - I wasn't allowing for the clock rate.

 

[Martini1991]

That's shocking, but why stop the 5850?

 

[kieves1]

I would imagine they just wanted a lot of stock of 5970 for over the holiday period so they stockpiled.I hope that they have more than enough stock so that normal quantities can be resumed for the 5850 and 5870 from after tomorrows launch.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

They said they couldn't do the 5800's though, and thats why they had to raise their prices, so if they can't get single 5800's, then theres no way in hell they should be able to get 2x of em, but they can get 2x of em, as they launching 2x of em tomorrow on a single PCB, and they are hard launching them, meaning they do have 5800's afterall.

 

[Lightnix]

They said they couldn't do the 5800's though, and thats why they had to raise their prices, so if they can't get single 5800's, then theres no way in hell they should be able to get 2x of em, but they can get 2x of em, as they launching 2x of em tomorrow on a single PCB, and they are hard launching them, meaning they do have 5800's afterall.

It could be the case that ATi was saving every die that met certain specifications to be in the 5970 - but most hit those targets, and so we're going to see numerous 5970's tomorrow for no readily apparent reason.

A man can dream.

 

[sturmtruppe]

these would make excellent physx cards, small, , good performance, and no extra power connector.

Will bfg be releasing an oc/oc2/ocx version?

EDIT

These have more cores than a 9600gt, less than a 9800gt.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Everyone whos been paying the extra for the 5800's has been ripped, as their cards are in stock now ready for tomorrows launch, wonder how they are feeling.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

these cards seem to have some amazing performance, look at the crysis results here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GT_240/10.html

 

[Mr Paul]

They are updated 200 series 40nm DX10.1 cores - performance wise slightly faster than the 9600GT.

I thought nVidia said 10.1 was pointless and not worth supporting...well what do you know

 

[Fenris]

these cards seem to have some amazing performance, look at the crysis results here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GT_240/10.html

Yes, then look at anything besides crysis, for everything but they perform equal to the 4670.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

lol i just went straight to the crysis benchmarks and didnt even bother to look at the others.

 

[RavenXXX2]

LMAO, they use 10.1 now hahaha, a bit late NV, maybe we can get 10.1 performance back in assassins creed..

 

[Cyber-Mav]

quick lookout for you guys, ocuk seem to be selling the ddr3 versions of the gt240, the reviews seem to be based on the ddr5 version of the cards. so ddr3 will have nearly half the bandwidth of ddr5 if clocks are "equal" etc.

 

[bru]

It's cards like these that prevent the 5870's being rin more supply.

Yep, it sure looks like Nvidia are being smart here. Chuck out 40nm variants with minimal work needed to get DX10.1 out the door and flood TSMC with orders for them, so that no capacity to make ATI's chips.

That way can delay people buying them until own product is out. Wander if Nvidia have bough TSMC's capacity to allow them to get a real launch of the next cards out the door.?

Laughing my bottom off, thats one wild piece of speculation. I might as well say that I reckon its due to ATI getting thier order in first for 40nm chips from TSMC that is causing all of Nvidia delays, just as likely.

you do know that most of the 40nm nvidia range has been availble to the oem sector for many months, its only just recently been made availible to the retail market.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Everyone whos been paying the extra for the 5800's has been ripped, as their cards are in stock now ready for tomorrows launch, wonder how they are feeling.

grr, the 5970's are using the HS 40nm production, its slightly different and costs AMD a bit more, theres likely very few runs going, the problem that is a known fault at TSMC was on one of their 40nm G(or gs) production lines, meaning weeks worth of dies are essentially useless.

AMD have said they will have availability of 5800's again on the 15th December. Silicon doesn't turn into chips overnight, they sit in chambers and "cook" for WEEKS. A batch of dead and useless chips because TSMC screwed up some equipment means WEEKS of missing die's, thats simply how chip production is done.

People aren't being ripped, firstly anyone with half a brain is buying a 5850 which have been coming in in small quantities, if you want more performance than a 5850, the 5970 or 5870x2 was ALWAYS going to be better value. If you recall a 3870x2 was cheaper than 2 3870's, while 1GB 4870's were £200-210 at launch, the 4870x2 was £330 at launch. The 5870 was always a cack card in terms of value and the 5850 would always, no matter if there were 10 million of both cards available in stock worldwide today, have outsold the 5870 10 fold, at least.

You want to have a go, maybe have a go at TSMC, who publically stated they had screwed up. When you consider this could have been anything up to 10k waifers, at $5k a waifer, you can imagine at a $50MILLION screw up by them, its hardly a small screw up, nor in any way AMD's fault.

The thing of it is, even if it was AMD just hoarding every single last chip available for the 5970, what exactly is wrong with that? Rather than put all the chips out in expensive 5870's, according to you they saved them so people can buy two together in a far better value deal, seeing as these have an RRP of $599, even with VAT and everyone being ripped off they shouldn't be above £500(realistically they SHOULD be closer to £400 and thats with awful TSMC yields adding to the cost). So you're saying by keeping their chips for a far better value card, they are ripping everyone off? Its a more expensive product, but its a card that gives them LESS profit per core, and better value to the end customer, the only people being ripped off is those with less patience than sense.

 

[Dauthi]

What will the price of the GDDR5 version everyone is linking the results to btw?

 

[drunkenmaster]

What will the price of the GDDR5 version everyone is linking the results to btw?

$12billion

No idea, gddr5 should cost a fair whack more than gddr3. But in all seriousness, look at the rest of the results, every other game the 4670 is a match for it, for £10 less than the gddr3 version of the GT240, theres just no reason to get it. If you were looking at a gddr5 version, you'd probably be starting to look nearer the 4850 on sale price, which just destroys it in performance. Completely useless card to be honest, which is a shame for anyone thats waited for it.

 

[coupe69]

Weird they were supposed to be about that much faster than the 9600GT not that much slower...

Only 128 bit memory bandwidth coupled with slow memory and cores, what a big pile of steaming turd! A totally pointless card tbh, not even dx11. Be cheaper to get a second hand 8800/9600/9800GT and get better performance with it.