I see you didn't bother to read my posts in any detail... I've already said many many times its too late for how the market has changed... please... I've already covered all these points in detail atleast twice.
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Nvidia Is Happy With The Performance Of Fermi
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I see you didn't bother to read my posts in any detail... I've already said many many times its too late for how the market has changed... please... I've already covered all these points in detail atleast twice.
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It needs to be out now and much faster than 5 series and same price.
Late not much faster and much more costly they are in deep trouble.
Roff can put as much spin on nvidia as he likes the facts are they have nothing to buy than can compete with ati and no sign of anything any time soon.
Ati will have refresh ready before nvidia get goods to market
Late not much faster and much more costly they are in deep trouble.
Roff can put as much spin on nvidia as he likes the facts are they have nothing to buy than can compete with ati and no sign of anything any time soon.
Ati will have refresh ready before nvidia get goods to market
Actually you have it in for me personally for some reason... not sure why... and you most deffinatly only see me the way you want to see of me... I guess you missed the half dozen posts I've made over the last couple of days that were critical of nVidia... I really can't be bothered to search for them all but heres the latest one...
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=15643909&postcount=13
I'm not putting spin on anything... I've said several times they are tracking behind the market.
The finer point I was making is that loads of places keep citing the march 2010 release claiming how nVidia is behind schedule, etc. as if nVidia have been slipping in the last few weeks... but nVidia have never actually planned to have Fermi out before Q1 2010 despite the press release in Nov.
Originally the 212 cores were supposed to come out in I think April 2009 with the 300 series "sometime" after that... a few roadmaps showed Q4 2009 but that was just people adding on what they assumed would be nVidia's product cycle. Then due to issues with the 40nm process the 212 slipped to a Sept/Nov 09 release with Fermi coming out after that... at which point nVidia started working towards a rough target of end of Q1 2010... and have been ever since... for whatever reason they couldn't get the 212 based GPUs to market and hence have nothing competitive to sell.
Don't you mean nvidia always planned for a 200 series rename around sept/nov 09
lol
Rroff, I'm not going to criticize you for only being human. But despite your 'fairly' logical and rational reasoning, it is clear that you are not only biased towards Nvidia, but that the bias is affecting the outcomes of you post's (which is disguised by you accepting a few token negative points).
This then makes it tempting for others to bait you, which is unfortunate.
You do put a spin on eveything Rroff.
Nvidia Implied the card would ready and plentiful for Christmas. It seemed unlikely but even you said they may surprise us. Nothing came pre Christmas so from that point on its officially delayed / END.
The clock was ticking from the day ATI announced and a lot of people felt Nvidia was waiting for that announcement to launch. Your making out everyone is out to get poor old Nvidia, and it not the case.
Nvidia have been slipping ? No crap batman.
Nvidia had a four year lead on ATI and now they are set to play second fiddle till at least 2012. They are not slipping they have gone.
No one expected any 40nm delays and in April and Nvidia officially said they would not be building DX10.1 ever. So that just a load of tea leaves at best
Are just on the wind up Rroff ?
Nvidia Implied the card would ready and plentiful for Christmas. It seemed unlikely but even you said they may surprise us. Nothing came pre Christmas so from that point on its officially delayed / END.
The clock was ticking from the day ATI announced and a lot of people felt Nvidia was waiting for that announcement to launch. Your making out everyone is out to get poor old Nvidia, and it not the case.
Nvidia have been slipping ? No crap batman.
Nvidia had a four year lead on ATI and now they are set to play second fiddle till at least 2012. They are not slipping they have gone.
No one expected any 40nm delays and in April and Nvidia officially said they would not be building DX10.1 ever. So that just a load of tea leaves at best
Are just on the wind up Rroff ?
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Same difference.
Not really. Fudzilla's historically been an incredibly dubious source at best. They do what I like to call 'ballistic journalism', they fire off a load of articles with such a wide range of possible conclusions that one has to be right eventually. I mean to prove this you really don't have to do a whole lot of digging.
I've never pretended otherwise than to have a preference towards nVidia... I've also been pretty clear that I find them the easier to live with and don't particularly like them.
My stance/background is something like:
-In the past ATI drivers were dire - I had to literally swap between different versions for each game I wanted to play with my Rage Pro and Rage Fury... at that point I swapped to an nVidia TNT2 and it just worked... flawlessly. I will point out at this point that all through 2009 ATI's drivers have been for the most part very good.
-I've never liked the ATI control panel(s), whereas nVidias its plain but functional.
-ATI's AA optimizations don't work for me personally - i.e. with 4x AA on ATI I still notice distracting jaggies unless I turn it up to 8. On nVidia I'm perfectly happy with 4x.
-I've had a poor experience personally with ATI in regard to video game development support, whereas nVidia were more than happy to help.
-I've found ATI's fascination with pushing technology like truform/tessellation, 3dc, etc. at the expense of useful features like shader model 3 frustrating. On the positive side AMD seem to have turned this around somewhat with attention on things more relevant to the market.
Despite the delusions of a small number on this board I'm not as anti ATI as they make out, I come on a little stronger on these forums than elsewhere due to the militant ATI fan crowd unbalancing things a bit.
I'm not aware of an official statement from nVidia - only nVidia lapdogs as mentioned above - but even so it doesn't change my main point.
Come on now Rroff its more than a dislike and preference.
Well if the great Rroff is not aware then it must be true
I'm sure you don't remember saying Nvidia will probably have some cards out for Christmas You act like some type Nvidia eXtremist, Its hard to read a thread you post in without feeling the need to pull you up.
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You really can't get that any more backwards, Nvidia is a pure and utter speed demon, theres no efficiency, its brute force, it uses 50% more transistors, almost double the clock speed in shaders, yet comes out, about the same performance. AMD are getting similar performance from half the clocks and half the transistor space.
Sorry but considering the P4 was bigger with a shedload of cache and massive transistor count relying purely on clock speed to compete with a complete lack of efficiency, even having a double pumped fpu(or was it an interger part, I can't remember that far back) which is even closer to Nvidia's core clock speed essentially double pumped shader clock speed.
Nvidia HAVE ALREADY hit their ceiling, they've already had issues increasing clocks, they've got so many transistors at such a high speed they can't produce the thing, yet AMD push forwards, with on time releases of significantly faster cards compared to the previous generation, with very few large problems, with an incredibly efficient design that will continue to improve in efficiency. Remember Nvidia is at peak efficiency, its got zero headroom, you take a 285gtx and optimise the drivers, theres no headroom it can largely use its entire 240 shaders at any given moment. AMD has the ability to increase performance pretty much exponentially as game dev's program in a different way.
Its almost unbelievable you could be that naive as to quite literally get it completely and unquestionably backwards. Remember the 280 and the 285gtx both missed their target clocks, just with less of a problem than Fermi has had, but a far smaller clock increase on the 285gtx than planned as their architecture which most certainly does not lend itself to smaller processes gets worse the lower they go.
Fermi simply can not and will not succeed in the future. If they have a deritive of Fermi at 28nm, with the same design and try the doubling all the features route, it will simply not release. AMD would have zero issue releasing a double numbers on everything part on the next process node, why, because they've been watching manufacturing and design a architecture based on the problems being faced, while Nvidia have ignored what almost literally every single other gpu/cpu/chip maker in the industry is doing, which is finding leakage a major problem. Everyone else in the entire industry has moved away from raw clock speed and brute force, to efficiency and paralelism, every single last one but Nvidia.