NVIDIA Rumored To Release Pascal Refresh With GDDR5X and Faster Clocks – Volta To Feature HBM2 and G

Panos · 28 Sep 2016 at 14:44

No Volta 2018 and rebaged 1080s for 2017?

2017 going to be a funny if indeed Vega is the 12tf beast rumoured and Nvidia has nothing to compete against.

While Volta going to compete directly with the Vega successor at 7nm in 2018.....

Time to buy AMD shares.......

Simon Belmont · 28 Sep 2016 at 15:57

Meh. I'll pass

drunkenmaster · 28 Sep 2016 at 16:12

The rumour I was hearing and mentioned before was a Pascal refresh rebadged to Volta so they can say Volta at 10nm hasn't slipped(because 10nm will probably be later than expected), then actual Volta(as in new architecture) gets renamed to something new.

The other way to do it is say Volta gets pushed back to whenever 10nm can make it, late 2018, maybe 2019, and it looks like a delay. The first way looks like everything is ahead of schedule while the other way looks like they are behind schedule. Not sure which is the way they'll go, overall it makes zero difference as it's just the name, next year was always going to be refreshes(if anything new).

elmuzzy66. · 28 Sep 2016 at 16:15

drunkenmaster said:
The rumour I was hearing and mentioned before was a Pascal refresh rebadged to Volta so they can say Volta at 10nm hasn't slipped(because 10nm will probably be later than expected), then actual Volta(as in new architecture) gets renamed to something new.

The other way to do it is say Volta gets pushed back to whenever 10nm can make it, late 2018, maybe 2019, and it looks like a delay. The first way looks like everything is ahead of schedule while the other way looks like they are behind schedule. Not sure which is the way they'll go, overall it makes zero difference as it's just the name, next year was always going to be refreshes(if anything new).

Will they get GDDR5X ready in time for the pascal refresh?

Killer7xx · 28 Sep 2016 at 16:21

Sounds like Nvidia knows that Vega will be a hit and Volta isn't quite ready so they feel that they have to respond with something. This kind of move is unusual for them, they never refreshed Maxwell in 2015.

JediFragger · 28 Sep 2016 at 16:55

Killer7xx said:
Sounds like Nvidia knows that Vega will be a hit and Volta isn't quite ready so they feel that they have to respond with something. This kind of move is unusual for them, they never refreshed Maxwell in 2015.

Agreed, looks like they're gonna push for Volta to be coming this year (even if it's Q4) instead of next.

Seems like they only released the 980Ti due to the Fury and the need to be on top. Interesting that a boosted Pascal might also do the same...

r7slayer · 28 Sep 2016 at 18:40

Yawn! Things are getting very boring. Guess we gotta wait to see what AMD bring to the table. 2 flavours coming with Vega. Guessing something to compete with 1070/80 then something for the high end. Only way nVidia will bring something interesting is to respond to AMD. Still waiting on 1080Ti personally but not holding my breath on that being amazing. Might be waiting for Volta at this rate.

flopper · 28 Sep 2016 at 18:48

tyler_jrb said:
Don't even think I'm interested in a 1080Ti either this time around.

previous 1080 owners card going for cheap when they upgrade to a more expensive solution. Thats the smart buy a used 1080 for current customers wanting such cards.

LoadsaMoney · 28 Sep 2016 at 18:52

Killer7xx said:
Sounds like Nvidia knows that Vega will be a hit and Volta isn't quite ready so they feel that they have to respond with something. This kind of move is unusual for them, they never refreshed Maxwell in 2015.

Just like they knew the Fury X was going to be a hit, so released the half price TX, the 980Ti

whyscotty · 28 Sep 2016 at 18:54

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I don't know how some of you manage - I recently bought a qHD screen and only have a GTX960 4GB!

It's a struggle.

AthlonXP1800 · 28 Sep 2016 at 19:16

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nv...d-on-volta-for-autonomous-transportation.html

Some interesting things about Volta that it will have CUDA cores doubled compared to Pascal, Volta will have hardware accelerated 8K decoder, 8K encoder and HDR.

So GV100 should expect to have up to 7680 CUDA cores, GV102 up to 7168 CUDA cores, GV104 up to 5120 CUDA cores, GV106 up to 2560 CUDA cores and GV107 up to 1536 CUDA cores.

Oh we will need to buy new 8K HDR HDTVs with Volta GPUs to run next generation games on super ultra high 8K resolution at nearly 60fps. :eek:

r7slayer · 28 Sep 2016 at 19:23

Where did u get that information? That link shows nothing of the sort which uve said.

TheRealDeal · 28 Sep 2016 at 19:26

r7slayer said:
Where did u get that information? That link shows nothing of the sort which uve said.

+1

The Volta part has double the shader processors at 512 compared to the Pascal part which has 256. I think because of this he thought he would just double up the shaders on desktop parts

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Think he needs to go and apply for a job at WCCFtech.

r7slayer · 28 Sep 2016 at 19:28

Hold on is it because the SoC before only had 256 shaders but this iteration (volta) has 512?

That is quite some speculation there and ur stating it as fact.

tyler_jrb · 28 Sep 2016 at 19:35

flopper said:
previous 1080 owners card going for cheap when they upgrade to a more expensive solution. Thats the smart buy a used 1080 for current customers wanting such cards.

Thats the problem. Learned my lesson last time I bought Ti's, soon as the 1080's came out I was struggling to get £300 ea for them even though I paid £599 each at launch.

Loose money on my 1080's to buy Ti's, then loose money on my Ti's to buy 1180's.

Think i'll likely wait for the 1180's this time around. I say that but will probably end up getting the Ti's anyway lol

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More so if its true volta is rumoured to be released in 2018.

DarrenM343 · 28 Sep 2016 at 19:56

tyler_jrb said:
Same Greg. Had bought Titans ready to swap out my 1080's but sent them back. Just too much money. My 1080's doing just fine and leaving a single TXP for dust in 99% of the games I play, so was the better option for me.

All games i play I'm perfectly happy with their performance now. See no reason to upgrade just yet really. TW3 nice solid 100 frames, all ultra at 3440x1440.

Don't even think I'm interested in a 1080Ti either this time around. Likely I'll wait and see what Volta has to offer.

Why did you buy them and if they were too much money? Knew that when bought them surely

. And people moan why they cost too much. DSR funding comes from somewhere or some other customer get used cards for top money, unfairly.

Will be looking at getting a TXP if they do a refresh now. Decided not to buy the first gen

elmuzzy66. · 28 Sep 2016 at 20:00

Its a bit frustrating to see that by the time vega is out, NV will have a fresh line up of cards out, most probably eliminating the dx12/vulkan advantage amd have atm. Its like amd are being the 'good & honourable' again by letting NV get cards out which close the gap in those terms.

DarrenM343 · 28 Sep 2016 at 20:04

Panos said:
No Volta 2018 and rebaged 1080s for 2017?

2017 going to be a funny if indeed Vega is the 12tf beast rumoured and Nvidia has nothing to compete against.

While Volta going to compete directly with the Vega successor at 7nm in 2018.....

Time to buy AMD shares.......

Difficult call. As Nvidia are well into their development cycle they are closer to their own next big release. AMD 'seem' to be behind, but how knows maybe they are able to make a massive jump. However, given they're supposedly working hard on ZEN part of me thinks they won't be making a big jump with their GPU's. If AMD match the current TX in jan 2017 they'll still be a long way behind as the TXP by then will be some 8 months or so old. Tech moves fast, 8 months is a long long time. I'd like to see AMD bring something out some 40% faster than the current TXP to be really in the game, with good efficiency too although people may forgive that if the performance is there but efficiency is still a bit behind.

Greebo · 28 Sep 2016 at 20:31

elmuzzy66. said:
Its a bit frustrating to see that by the time vega is out, NV will have a fresh line up of cards out, most probably eliminating the dx12/vulkan advantage amd have atm. Its like amd are being the 'good & honourable' again by letting NV get cards out which close the gap in those terms.

Not really. A refresh of pascal with faster clocks might give you 10%. Info on vega says its going to 13 -14 Tflops which makes it 30to40% faster than a TitanX pascal.

If true until Nvidia get Volta out, AMD will have the fastest card. I can only see a refreshed 1080 getting close to current titanx speeds. Thats a big gap to Vega.

Bearing in mind pascal was never meant to exist and was a last minute shoehorn into the roadmap as t65he gap between pascal and volta was too big, disappointing Nvidia is only offering another refresh for next year.

This should give AMD their chance to be king for a while so long as they dont mess it up.

DarrenM343 · 28 Sep 2016 at 20:40

Greebo said:
Not really. A refresh of pascal with faster clocks might give you 10%. Info on vega says its going to 13 -14 Tflops which makes it 30to40% faster than a TitanX pascal.

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Wasn't the Tflops much higher on the Fury X though(than Ti/TX) but that struggled to realise the theoretical performance? Time will tell I suppose

. Could do with some kind of challenge being taken to NVidia.