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Nvidia Sales

TheMorningStar

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I'm wondering how Nvidea are holding up at the moment. the 5870/5850 seem much more desirable but the poor launch stock could be an issue here.

I have not noticed any Nvidea pricecuts worth mentioning at the moment, are people holding off for 58series stock or are they still buying Nvidea or last gen ATI?

Would love to see OCUKs flow charts :D
 
sturmtruppe said:
thats because nvidia already has a strong market in the retail/home/gamer market, they are looking to focus and expand their other markets now
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I think the key question here is are they looking to expand or slowly shift.

What's the point of being a market leader in a sector that is seeing decreasing profits over every other sector you are/could be involved in. Money to be made in the mobile/HPC areas seems to far outweigh anything to be made in the discrete gpu market.

I think what we will see over the next few years is nVidia designing products first and foremost for these areas and then adapting them for the discrete gpu market. Pretty much the opposite of what they currently do.
 
BubbySoup said:
I think the key question here is are they looking to expand or slowly shift.

What's the point of being a market leader in a sector that is seeing decreasing profits over every other sector you are/could be involved in. Money to be made in the mobile/HPC areas seems to far outweigh anything to be made in the discrete gpu market.

I think what we will see over the next few years is nVidia designing products first and foremost for these areas and then adapting them for the discrete gpu market. Pretty much the opposite of what they currently do.
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The trouble with that i don't think they keep up at price/performance unless amd changed direction as well and can see amd pulling away because they making their cards for games first and for most but i might be wrong.
 
nVidia want to branch out and have an alternative revenue source of some significance other than consumer gaming GPUs.

The PC is well and truly in the shade of the Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii as a games machine - we all know the vast majority of games made today are either made for consoles and then ported to PC, or will run adequately on a PC with the equivalent power of the consoles; game graphics requirements have plateaued over the last couple of years and with both 360 and PS3 having projected life spans of at least 10 years, there won't be any significant jumps in technology until the next generation (even then, it's not guaranteed to be a significant leap).

The die-hards who simply must have the fastest graphics cards available are insignificant in revenue terms. Tech savvy gamers are probably going to leave it longer and longer between changing graphics cards, and the majority of computer owners, who don't know/don't care about games only tend to buy a new computer every 3 - 4 years; all in all, less revenue for a company who's hardware is dependent on gaming GPU sales.

By all accounts, the parallel processing nature of GPUs lends itself to HPC very well, and if you can offer a cheaper, discreet add-in card solution to all your customers, nVidia could have identified and take advantage of a very lucrative market.
 
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THe problem with their sales is miniscule profits, 777million turnover and 38million profits is pretty bad. If you look around theres very little stock of the 285 and even 275 around, with the 260 in stock but the size of the core vs selling price of the card, theres very very little profit in that card and they can't sell the 285gtx in large enough numbers to make a profit.

They still have high sales, but unlike previous years the larger sales are now at incredibly small profits, if not losses, which is a very dangerous position to be in.
 
I think we will see a cap over the next few years where performance wont really rise much as we are at the point were its pointless buying a new card twice as powerfull, as the old card still plays everything on max settings. what will probably happen is a vast optimisation of performance delivering similar power at a much cheeper manufaturing cost.
 
TheMorningStar said:
I'm wondering how Nvidea are holding up at the moment. the 5870/5850 seem much more desirable but the poor launch stock could be an issue here.

I have not noticed any Nvidea pricecuts worth mentioning at the moment, are people holding off for 58series stock or are they still buying Nvidea or last gen ATI?

Would love to see OCUKs flow charts :D
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Over the next month or two I would expect Nvidia will see a drop of in sales on it's top end of video cards which will dent profitability (high value items tend to carry a bigger profit margin) but at the lower end (GTX260) they will still hold their own until ATI/AMD launches the lower spec cards.

As for business overall Nvidia lost over $200 million earlier this year and they getting sued by every major OEM PC box shifter (Dell, HP etc) for the crappy 8000 series video cards failures. Other then that their balance sheet looks healthy, with no long term debt and a pile cash to spend.
 
TheMorningStar said:
I think we will see a cap over the next few years where performance wont really rise much as we are at the point were its pointless buying a new card twice as powerfull, as the old card still plays everything on max settings. what will probably happen is a vast optimisation of performance delivering similar power at a much cheeper manufaturing cost.
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Yep - and hopefully the size of cards/power consumption/heat output will start to go down.
 
TheMorningStar said:
I think we will see a cap over the next few years where performance wont really rise much as we are at the point were its pointless buying a new card twice as powerfull, as the old card still plays everything on max settings. what will probably happen is a vast optimisation of performance delivering similar power at a much cheeper manufaturing cost.
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Yeah I agree with that, the developers have stop really pushing the games atm as there limited by the consoles but I'm sure when new consoles come in 2 years + we will see a jump in activity
 
craig3000 said:
Yeah I agree with that, the developers have stop really pushing the games atm as there limited by the consoles but I'm sure when new consoles come in 2 years + we will see a jump in activity
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Good point that. Its kind of a shame consoles are shaping games these days though. still i can live with the lul between generations ;)
 
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