It'll 100% be overpriced. ARM gaming isn't mature enough anyway so benefit of waiting is cheaper hardware prices (hopefully) and better software, which Steam are driving.
Can't see Nvidia open-sourcing anything though.
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Can't see Nvidia open-sourcing anything though.
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Overpriced and running about a year late, should sell well then...
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Yeah I’m pretty confident Nvidia will overprice the chipset, but the question is can an overpriced laptop exist and turn a profit for the OEMs selling them, especially with Nvidia’s track record under Linux and Arm under Windows.
The snapdragon attempts at Arm+Windows at £1000~ have already failed and only Apple seemed to have built a successful Linux platform with IOS but that has taken the best part of decade to achieve.
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The cheapest MacBook with 128GB is over £5k so is thing going to be any cheaper?
I think it has to be significantly less money because there will be nothing as well polished as iOS or anything close to the level of support with these compared to a Mac, which is a large part of a Mac’s value and why they can command a premium. Nvidia/MSI/Asus, do not a Mac make. Not by a long shot.
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You're limited by what the chip can support in terms of unified memory though so at that price you're also getting a significantly better chip, not that it makes things better.
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The AMD MAX+395 with 128GB can be had as low as £2.5-3k, so I expect Spark to start at at least a grand above that based on today's prices.
Why? The AMD X86 system will run windows and Linux. I’d say the Nvidia laptops need to beat that price.
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Nvidia + AI + 128GB!
Nvidia are realistic in that Windows is their only chance if they want this to become a premium platform for consumers.
They already have a Linux platform for professionals.
But yeah, they do need to hit lower price points with more basic level configs to get serious traction.
As for pricing lower than AMD, you are having a giraffe.
Although based on the failure of Qualcomm Windows laptop, it might be only a matter of time before you can get Spark at clearance prices too.
With AMD supposedly bumping the max RAM up by fifty percent, they will at least have that advantage.
God knows what the gaming support. will be like.
I've changed my mind, price it to compete with Apple's Neon!
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You haven’t explained why I’d pay someone like MSI £3400 an Arm APU with Nvidia graphics. Both Windows and Linux will be pretty bad and I can’t use iOS. If Nvidia want these retail at £4~ and run windows then it going to need to an X86/64bit CPU. If Nvidia want to take on Apple then they are going to have write a proper Linux distribution for it. “Because Nvidia” isn’t going to cut it.
AMD don’t make RAM, I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
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The refresh of the Zen 5 MAX + APUs is increasing the maximum RAM support from 128 to 192GB.
The MSI EdgeXpert NVIDIA GB10 DGX is already over £4k.
These make more sense than the RTX versions.
How many consumers want to spend silly money on a laptop so they can run agentic AI?
Obviously Jensen is fully in on this, but the idea of running agentic AI on Windows is a dystopian nightmare for me.
I'm sure all this will help sell more laptops, for Apple.
AMD don’t make DRAM or sell laptops, so can’t hike prices…
£3000 for one of these is hard sell and probably not a viable market. £2000 is a stretch. £4000 is lol tastic especially when DGX Spark systems aren’t shifting at £3000.
The idea of running Linux or Windows on one these is bit of nightmare, but like it or not there are times and use cases where Windows is simply unavoidable and Arm on Windows is painful.
Apple is its own market and always will be, so makes no difference what MSI or Asus sell.
£3000 for one of these is hard sell and probably not a viable market. £2000 is a stretch. £4000 is lol tastic especially when DGX Spark systems aren’t shifting at £3000.
The idea of running Linux or Windows on one these is bit of nightmare, but like it or not there are times and use cases where Windows is simply unavoidable and Arm on Windows is painful.
Apple is its own market and always will be, so makes no difference what MSI or Asus sell.
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AMD MAX+395 with 128GB starts at £2.5-3k with laptops at the higher end.
At £2k, a Spark laptop with the same RAM size would be a bargain; assuming that Win11Arm works for you.
Anyway, even if the top spec models compete well with AMD on price, they have to address the <=£1.5K market also to hit volume.
Presumably they will have lower SKUs that can play to the masses.
You’re totally missing the point. The X86 AMD chip will run Windows and Linux really well, but this spark laptop will probably be a nightmare with both, as you say. So who is the market because the OEMs will need to shift these ant volume and they’re already getting stuck with dgx spark systems even after offering big discounts. Not to mention just about all the OEMs already sell X86 windows laptops with much faster graphics for a lot less.
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Here's a Look at Every Nvidia RTX Spark Laptop Announced So Far
At Computex, we got to check out all the Nvidia Spark superchip-powered PCs that will debut later this year, including laptops from Asus, Dell, and Microsoft.
Wow ASUS ProArt 16 laptop look really very nice with 0.51 inch thick, it is the thinnest one put all competitors to shame. Tough decisions, I will wait for reviews.
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Ffs.
Now I'm going to get confused with my Sparc servers.
Now I'm going to get confused with my Sparc servers.
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MacBook Neo Racked Up More Than 10% Of RTX Spark’s Two-Year Shipment Estimates In Just Over 3 Months, Making It An Impressive Feat
The latest data reveals that Apple’s MacBook Neo has been a major hit and has accumulated a part of the RTX Spark milestone in a few months
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The point is all those CUDA cores and over a 100GB of fast RAM for those CUDA cores in a laptop.
I'm not saying there's a big market for such a thing, especially at a high price point, but it is something new.
The market will decide.
Zero interest for me even when they probably have to clear them out.
AMD executives react to Nvidia’s RTX Spark — ‘you’re just wrong if you don’t get a Strix Halo notebook’
AMD welcomes the competition, and postures that it has the superior platform.