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Nvidia, stop being a **** please

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Sorry guys, this video took me much longer than I expected it to take because the amount of dickery went so deep. It's not as though I previously didn't know about this stuff, but investigating properly... jeez, poor AMD :( Time and time again, it's the same story. I investigate.

0:08 - PhysX
1:16 - Tessellation (Important to understand later examples)
1:45 - Crysis 2's DX11 upgrade
2:31 - Fallout 4's Godrays
2:51 - Witcher 3's Hairworks
3:02 - Nvidia Gameworks Controversy
3:42 - Why hasn't AMD prepared for this? + Nvidia's defence
4:08 - AMD's competing technologies and open sourcery
4:59 - OPENGPU VS Gameworks... but will Nvidia accept?
5:36 - 3D Vision and Gsync
6:36 - Shadowplay XOXOXOX
7:15 - Conclusion

I knew this would happen, but there are a number of recurring responses from people. I'm pleased with this video because it says what I wanted to quickly and without getting off-topic to defend myself. But I'll do it here:

'Nvidia's a company! They're not meant to play nice!!!'
...no, which is why they're DICKS. What they're doing isn't illegal, but it's anti-competitive. It's not about using their own technologies. It's about deliberately making life hard for everybody else, which DOES have a knock-on effect for users of competing products.

'Nvidia is more than half the audience!!!11'
Doesn't change what I said tbh. But if you factor in Intel, who also does graphics, then they are about 50-50.

'AMD HAS RAPTR!!!!'
Yeah I mention this. Raptr's video capture is GVR. It's good, but can't support EVERY application or desktop use, which is very useful for me on a day-to-day basis. It's also only HD, and the limitations in other areas are lower as well. It's not quite good enough.
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General Concensus agrees 7400 thumbs up, only 317 thumbs down.
 
I don't really see the point of this thread other than a starter for getting people suspended but I will bite. GPU users are a fickle bunch and all through my testing of AMD Vs Nvidia in side by side video's, I was called a liar, my system was wrong, I should have run BF4 with Mantle on the Fury X, I was purposefully crippling the image on Nvidia, I was cheating with AMD and it should run faster, I overclocked my Titan X and that isn't fair on the Fury X, I should re-do the tests now that the Fury X has voltages unlocked, I am an Nvidia fanboy, I am an AMD fanboy, I am a ****, so much smoother on the Fury X, so much smoother on the Titan X, GameWorks fault..... Just to name but a few.

Anyways, my point out the way and let the thread commence!
 
Does anyone think it's possible that some time in the future we will have monitors which can alternate between FreeSync and G-Sync?
 
arc@css said:
Does anyone think it's possible that some time in the future we will have monitors which can alternate between FreeSync and G-Sync?
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Never know tbh, unless maybe NVIDIA decide to go the adaptive sync route. It would be more handy all round for end users. Many people switch between card vendors on a regular basis. But a monitor is something that you will hold on to much longer. The whole being tied to one card type with free/gsync is a bit off putting for some.
 
Why do people get so heated about the whole AMD v Nvidia thing? Although I've always gone nvidia since the early 2000s I'm glad AMD are still in the game. It's never a good thing if one company has a monopoly as it stifles innovation.
 
Gerard said:
We used to have to pick between sli and crosssfire enabled motherboards as well, i think the sync thing will go the same way.
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Yep, I remember being on s775 where the only choice for sli were the awful nforce 680i motherboards. Useless for overclocking quads too. Think it was X58 where you finally had the option of sli or xfire. But I see on some current lower end boards your still limited to xfire only, likely down to the ability if xfired cards to work in a x4 pcie slot. X8 minimum for cards in sli.
 
Problem is, Nvidia make brilliant products (mostly) but have horrendous ethics, love to lock you into their stuff (AMD's going this route also though) and blatantly lie about things.

As a consumer, purchasing their products basically condones this code of practice they have, the real problem lies in the fact the common man has no idea of these shady practices and normally buys word of mouth from friends / shop owner / store employee when asked "What gpu do i need?".

I just hate to give them my cash as i feel im cheating myself by doing so, yes their products are top notch and quite often the best, but they generally never offer the best performance per pound spent, well not until recently then AMD pulled off that moron move of "if we price our products premium, therefore they must be premium" which was laughable at best.

Anyhow im rambling, i just wish Nvidia could play nicely with others, they are like the spoilt rich kids at school who had all the gear but no idea, AMD are like the little science nerds who sat in the corner and played PnP ADnD ;)

As it currently stands the people losing are us the consumers, and i dont see any movement from people to protest against the constant year on year price hikes for little performance, we just lap it up and carry on whining on forums like these :)
 
Gregster said:
I don't really see the point of this thread other than a starter for getting people suspended but I will bite.
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Coming from someone that's started way, way, waaaayy more 'controversial' threads, your kind self shouldn't be throwing accusations like that about-like you do, I copy pasta'd an article.

Agree/disagree and move on, I'm fully fledged Nvidia locked in by G-Sync yet I 100% agree with everything in that vid.:)
 
Gerard said:
We used to have to pick between sli and crosssfire enabled motherboards as well, i think the sync thing will go the same way.
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You maybe right, Sales will dictate it I think. If Gsync is selling well Nvidia will be over the moon as it ties people to them to a degree.
 
I hope this stays, 2kliksphilip makes some excellent points.

I don't want a world where i need different GPU's to play different games to their full extent.

The only ones who benefit from gutter tactics are Nvidia's shareholders, and at our expense.

As a gamer Nvidia's current actions are very bad news for me.

This sort of hardware tied games approach is also another nail in the PC gaming coffin.
 
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Re: Shadowplay ... it's just software. Not particularly sure why people aren't willing to use third party programs. Granted it'd be nice if AMD could provide something better than Raptr (which I'd never use), but hardly disastrous.

On the hardware side of screen capture and video encoding, AMD are miles ahead of NVIDIA though. NVENC is absolute cack. VCE v3.0 (the version supported by Tonga, Fiji & Carrizo) however is excellent, it compares very well to software encoded video.

They've done the hard bit already (and much better than NVIDIA) ... so you'd think that with their new focus on software, tools and APIs you may get your wish with Artic Islands.
 
arc@css said:
Does anyone think it's possible that some time in the future we will have monitors which can alternate between FreeSync and G-Sync?
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long answer ........no

short answer.......no

g-sync replaces the scaler in the monitor.....adaptive-sync runs of normal scaler ;)

Intel has said they will be using adaptive-sync- just when is the true case; once Intel releases cpus with igpus that can use it.......I think we'll see Nvidia magically be able to use it; but until then they will milk g-sync for as long as they can.
 
arc@css said:
Does anyone think it's possible that some time in the future we will have monitors which can alternate between FreeSync and G-Sync?
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Honestly this is the only thing holding me back from getting a nice new monitor. So tempted by the boxing day deal on the Dell G-sync monitor but what if I want to switch to AMD in the future?!
 
oweneades said:
Honestly this is the only thing holding me back from getting a nice new monitor. So tempted by the boxing day deal on the Dell G-sync monitor but what if I want to switch to AMD in the future?!
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This is where AMD Definitely win, Freesync regardless if its actually better or not than G-Sync in regards to what it actually provides, is superior in the fact its essentially free and built into a VESA Standard.

I bet if Nvidia actually adopted Freesync that alone would sell a ton of monitors, i bet theres more Nvidia users With non G-Sync monitors than there is with G-Sync.

If im looking to buy a new monitor right now with my AMD card im mostly looking for Freesync for the benefits it provides, then i look at the rez i want to play and Mhz i want etc.
 
meldarthx said:
long answer ........no

short answer.......no

g-sync replaces the scaler in the monitor.....adaptive-sync runs of normal scaler ;)

Intel has said they will be using adaptive-sync- just when is the true case; once Intel releases cpus with igpus that can use it.......I think we'll see Nvidia magically be able to use it; but until then they will milk g-sync for as long as they can.
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Having owned several Intel cpu's with igpu's. It will be a long long time before they have one that is of any particular benefit to gamers. Imho Intel should drop the igpu on unlocked k chips. All it does is add extra heat to what are already very hot chips.
 
arc@css said:
Does anyone think it's possible that some time in the future we will have monitors which can alternate between FreeSync and G-Sync?
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NVIDIA won't allow it as long as hardware based "G-Sync" remains a thing. They already support the VESA standard that AMD/VESA worked on, since "G-Sync" in laptops is exactly that - the VESA adaptive synch (i.e. Freesync). There's zero reason for their own proprietary solution to exist anymore other than price gouging and vendor lock-in ... which was the whole point of the project from the start. If people weren't stupid enough to pay £100-200 extra for monitors that don't conform to basic industry standards and lock you to one vendor, NVIDIA would have already abolished it.

I'd speculate that the non-standard timings found on G-Sync monitors may be to specifically ensure that the VESA standard will not work.
 
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