Nvidia, stop being a **** please

[tommybhoy]

Sorry guys, this video took me much longer than I expected it to take because the amount of dickery went so deep. It's not as though I previously didn't know about this stuff, but investigating properly... jeez, poor AMD Time and time again, it's the same story. I investigate.

0:08 - PhysX
1:16 - Tessellation (Important to understand later examples)
1:45 - Crysis 2's DX11 upgrade
2:31 - Fallout 4's Godrays
2:51 - Witcher 3's Hairworks
3:02 - Nvidia Gameworks Controversy
3:42 - Why hasn't AMD prepared for this? + Nvidia's defence
4:08 - AMD's competing technologies and open sourcery
4:59 - OPENGPU VS Gameworks... but will Nvidia accept?
5:36 - 3D Vision and Gsync
6:36 - Shadowplay XOXOXOX
7:15 - Conclusion

I knew this would happen, but there are a number of recurring responses from people. I'm pleased with this video because it says what I wanted to quickly and without getting off-topic to defend myself. But I'll do it here:

'Nvidia's a company! They're not meant to play nice!!!'
...no, which is why they're DICKS. What they're doing isn't illegal, but it's anti-competitive. It's not about using their own technologies. It's about deliberately making life hard for everybody else, which DOES have a knock-on effect for users of competing products.

'Nvidia is more than half the audience!!!11'
Doesn't change what I said tbh. But if you factor in Intel, who also does graphics, then they are about 50-50.

'AMD HAS RAPTR!!!!'
Yeah I mention this. Raptr's video capture is GVR. It's good, but can't support EVERY application or desktop use, which is very useful for me on a day-to-day basis. It's also only HD, and the limitations in other areas are lower as well. It's not quite good enough.

General Concensus agrees 7400 thumbs up, only 317 thumbs down.

 

[tommybhoy]

I don't really see the point of this thread other than a starter for getting people suspended but I will bite.

Coming from someone that's started way, way, waaaayy more 'controversial' threads, your kind self shouldn't be throwing accusations like that about-like you do, I copy pasta'd an article.

Agree/disagree and move on, I'm fully fledged Nvidia locked in by G-Sync yet I 100% agree with everything in that vid.

 

[tommybhoy]

Wait and I'll link up 70 plus titles with Nvidia exclusive iq...

 

[tommybhoy]

Distinguished Engineer Tom Petersen and Senior Director of Engineering Rev Lebaradian who shared their thoughts about it, and confirmed that Nvidia is not part of it, will not support it

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/nvidi...will-not-support-it-no-real-benefit-using-it/

 

[tommybhoy]

I dont think that link proves what you think it does

For NVIDIA to have turned down mantle it would have had to have been offered. Now you could argue

More like you think we are all gullible to the point of accepting a semantics spin.

Nvidia didn't mean anything other than 'not interested', there is no argument.

 

[tommybhoy]

Weird innit! I put the same argument to you on PhysX and you defended AMD to the hilt lol

The one where I pointed out Nvidia said they hadn't discussed it with AMD when you argued otherwise?

Then had to point out that Nvidia ordered a cease and desist order because you hadn't read that far in one of the articles you posted that showed bad AMD couldn't even supply the coder an AMD gpu, when they did, all because you linked an article that you didn't take the time to read to the end?

That the one, want the link?

Better still now your bringing PhysX into it, you commented my trust for defending PhysX, anyone can see it if they check.

Too much sherry

 

[tommybhoy]

Not even started drinking yet But will soon Seriously though most of my posts today are in good spirit and not really caring either way. We all want and truthfully need both AMD and Nvidia doing well but on a serious note and speaking personally, that OP video is terrible and does come across as a complete whine because his beloved AMD are not doing so well of late but that is my view and I don't expect everyone to take that stance.

The above np with, there is the tiny majority that doesn't agree with the guys vid, so was expecting the few that disagreed here too.

 

[tommybhoy]

The Lenovo Y700 has a FreeSync validated panel.

So is it AMD powered with FreeSync, or is it just using the panel for Nvidia?

Are Nvidia ignoring it and hoping no one asks them a hard question?

They should write an Adaptive Sync driver for the panel and offer their customers a FreeSync alternative, the could add more features than FS and call it G-sync Lite and rip the pish.

 

[tommybhoy]

We all want a healthy, competitive market but only the odd few choose AMD for some reason

Marcin Momot

CD PROJEKT RED:

Many of you have asked us if AMD Radeon GPUs would be able to run NVIDIA’s HairWorks technology – the answer is yes! However, unsatisfactory performance may be experienced as the code of this feature cannot be optimized for AMD products. Radeon users are encouraged to disable NVIDIA HairWorks if the performance is below expectations.

Hope this information helps.

Main reason why I dumped AMD-Games Works on AMD is a joke-some of us believe we are not getting a healthy competitive market.

 

[tommybhoy]

Is that because AMD is bad

It's because AMD couldn't get working profiles out for mgpu usually GW's titles.

There was the jibe 'Just turn it off' from the usuals, but since they run Nvidia, they aren't affected which makes it ok, because AMDmatt tells you to do it.

It's as if it's an AMD plot to make Nvidia look evil.

Those with half a brain however will realise-that most PC gamers(with no vendor preference) that run AMD gpu's, who just want to game will be ditching AMD and going Nvidia because GW's is in most AAA tiltles.

as per title? (given the quote from Momot )

Yes, if they weren't ****s, I'd probably still be there.

Moral of the story, winners are ****s.

 

[tommybhoy]

The little powerhouse that is the 970 is getting GW's switched off@1080p on GFE now:

@ICDP,

W3 GW's works on my 970, before GW's, mgpu worked fine on my 6970/7970/7950/290X setups with Nvidia sponsered non GW's titles.

 

[tommybhoy]

I don't see why Freesync needed to be an open standard.

AMD's FreeSync goal was to make a Free G-Sync alternative without proprietary hardware, ALL graphics vendors can adopt it under Vesa's control, NOT AMD's control.

Making it an open standard is a nice way for AMD to get out of having to do all the work.

What work?

The panel fine tuning for superior output?

The high end FreeSync panels output on par with G-Sync panels, I know Iv'e used both.

You can argue that ranges are superior, that's why the premium on top of the module premium is in place.

With VESA controling Adaptive Sync it has a good chance of being taken up by Intel, ARM, even Nvidia, it may end up in the next consoles, TV's ecte.......

FreeSync imo is the best tech AMD have ever produced(*Would have been Mantle but see below) and they delivered their promise, that you fundamentally don't need a module and it's free, they handed it over to vesa, where all the vendors are probably going to adopt it-if AMD as a company can ever learn to all round 'deliver' better, then Nvidia will adopt it eventually.

(Although if AMD can deliver HDMI 2 FreeSync quickly, Nvidia will have no choice to jump on board imo)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is NOT a pop shot at G-Sync, G-Sync was first to market and wouldn't have been so without the module.

Nvidia and G-Sync should be given credit they fully deserve, as without G-Sync, there would never have been FreeSync!



*Mantle, after initial teething problems-it was quite simply amazing, it was exciting, huge difference in output-LtMatts 'different gravy' said it all.

Initial AMD proprietary beta form, they said it planned to launch Mantle 1.0 and any vendor could use it, they also said that they would hand it over to Khronos as they got stick for claims for an AMD advantage and Nvidia said they weren't interested.

Instead, they nearly went bust and low funds probably dictated to can it and hand it over to Khronos.

Would have loved to have had Mantle DX12 shootouts on an even playing field.

 

[tommybhoy]

The Dells have a big discount added, that was cheeky paul, as above I'll add that BQ's GS 1080p premium is mental in comparison to other 1080p GS panels.

BQ 1440P FS has seen big discounts too, been available for £375 at times.

Maybe Dell decided the markets dictating that the GS premium isn't worth it and needs to drop the price to shift units after all we're hearing they just want to make as much money as possible so they aint dropping price to just be nice.

 

[tommybhoy]

Why when someone disagrees it becomes personal?

It's not as if he came round your house and clubed you over the head with a tooth pick.

It's not as if his opinion is greater/weaker than yours.

 

[tommybhoy]

Like I said, it isn't a given that everyone has the right to be able to buy what they want!

It's not as if it's thousands of pounds, it's a few ton, your making it sound like you need to have wads of cash to run high end systems.

I'm a G-Sync user and the price premium is pathetic, I didn't have to buy it but after using FreeSync, it just had to be done.

I wasn't prepared to pay 1440p G-Sync premium, Nvidia/panel vendors can do one, besides-half of the 1440p ones get returned!

*Course it's a joke

So 1080p it was when I saw a Predator deal elsewhere(that priced it a just a wee bit more than FreeSync panels) that more or less nullified the premium.

 

[tommybhoy]

Regarding the frequency range on freesync as opposed to gsync. Is this at the discretion of the monitor manufacturers as there seems to be a wide range depending on vendor. Do AMD not have any say in this. All gsync screens seem to operate within the same range which I can only assume is part of NVIDIAS licensing agreement.

On the FreeSync side yes, who knows, yes.

Ermmmm, the guys whining are making it sound like it is a fortune and you said your G-Sync monitor was really cheap second hand, so you had a good deal.

You wasn't prepared to pay for the premium, so you didn't and you got a second hand one, so win win for you no?

Honestly, this thread is top notch comedy and proper kept me entertained and good to see it has been pretty civil. I was expecting the worst but thankfully it hasn't happened. Ohhh and I am doing loads of research for my next video, which will be similar to the one in the OP but I bet it gets lots of dislikes lol

Second hand, don't know how you worked that one out.

Mines was bought new, win win win.

Not wanting to pay a premium over something that doesn't warrant the premium over the alternative was what I was getting at-personal choice of what balances worth of value when opening my wallet.

It's always comedy gold just like you and everyone else only agree with their opinion.

 

[tommybhoy]

Np, 24" Predator.

Surprised it didn't **** out myself tbh, if it did the title would have been different.

Wonder how many called for me head...

 

[tommybhoy]

Consumer based tests were conducted by particular vendors which I'm not at liberty to discuss in depth or I would have.

If you put both solutions under the microscope, they both win/lose to a degree on features-personal choice dictates which one wins for them.

With the amount of coin manufacturers invest on product development, it's looking like FreeSync is the no1 choice for VRR investment, the numbers don't lie,

The Toms test is dated however AMD were quick to try and smudge the polls they conducted there too. The VRR range distinction goes a lot deeper than simply ones opinion which leads to endless circles especially with users who haven't tested both technologies to a large enough degree.

Not the Tom's 90Hz v 144Hz vrr range one again, TH smudged it themselves
-like for like instead of wasting our time(I still can't believe that test still gets pushed as an Nvidia plus).

I've used both of them on 144Hz, and they both do the same thing, if you are looking for who makes the uber solution, it's obvious with their higher vrr range on the ultra panels it's in Nvidia's hands, but that's the lowest selling panels, the majority sold will be/are the ones aimed at the masses-1080/1440p.

 

[tommybhoy]

It may not be worth the premium in your opinion but it's selling just fine. Gibbo has sold over 200 of those dells over the weekend. and nearly 3000 Rog PG278Q Swifts since they were introduced. The best selling 27" monitor by a country mile. In contrast the best selling freesync 27" is Benq with about 15% of the swifts sales Admittedly the swift had a headstart but since it's 30% cheaper and only marginally worse whats a few months......

Lols, youv'e just supplied figures that reveal the general state of the majority of peoples unwillingness to pay the G-Sync premium(rog selling just fine) vs willingness to purchase when the premium is discounted(Dell flying out the door).

 

[tommybhoy]

That wasn't an overall indication of FS sales, but understand it's an easily confusable assumption to make.

X amount are happy to pay the premium, but 4 times as many are happier paying the discounted price, win win for G-Sync adopters.