Obesity...

[fez]

Has anyone that has actually lost weight used weight watchers or slim fast?

My partner has done weight watchers in the past and yes it works because it restricts the amount of calories you put towards unhealthy foods. Unsurprisingly, weight watchers isn't eating ****** ready meals either, its just a system for cooking and eating healthily. Not all their recipes are good but plenty of them are.

Considering your relationship with food I wouldn't think you are a great authority on what is or isn't good for you.

The truth is that most people who have issues with weight will have them on and off for a very long time and diets attract those sort of people because they offer a "plan" and something fixed to follow. They mostly work until the person grows bored or stops doing them.

 

[tom_e]

Headphones wouldn't matter or make people think of me as less rude or in their opinion 'anti social'.

I especially hate it when bus drivers say thank you to me 3-4 times in increasingly demanding tones because they feel entitled to be acknowledged by everyone. Then you generally see threads all over places like reddit saying 'if you don't thank people like bus drivers you are a psychopath'.

Even worse is people repeating 'Excuse me' from behind and the one time I did respond it was someone trying to peddle household goods likely for drug money.

Wait, people trying to shake my hand with their Arabic greeting because I'm a POC. Outside is ruined by there being people out there.

And I thought I over think things sometimes.

Who gives a **** what other people think of you if you're just out for a walk and don't want to stop for idle chit chat.

 

[200sols]

I find people expecting me to talk to them to be the biggest barrier to bothering with 'walks', more so than the walking itself being completely boring and barely any exercise.

I walk my dog a lot, regularly 10+ miles, rarely speak to anyone other than saying 'Hi' or 'Morning' as I walk by, people don't expect you to stop and have a conversation with them. Also walking is excellent exercise and it gets you out of the house, you are clearly in a rut and putting obstacles in front of everything. Sadly not uncommon.

 

[arknor]

anyone on disability because of obesity should have their money cut if they aren't doing anything about it.
seems like it's inherited bad behaviour from parents most of the time , fat mum , fat dad, fat kids in an endless loop

Thats complete rubbish. Its still cheaper and always has been cheaper to feed a family cooking from scratch. How do some people get by just fine on exactly the same amount of money as other people who complain that they can't feed their family. If you are sensible you can feed your family ridiculously cheaply. Its not as easy as sticking some chicken dippers in the oven but its cheaper and more nutritional.

I wonder how many of the vegetables on a supermarket shelf the average person can name and if they know how to prepare/cook them


Discover the amazing secret to losing weight, being active daily for an hour or two(walking doesn't count it builds no muscle and burns no calories) , cooking proper foods and reserving a bar of chocolate or a packet of sweets to once a week.

cut out all the crap like crisps and takeaways, if you didn't cook it don't eat it...


no magical pill will fix your laziness.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

And SSRIs didn’t work for you, how can you be so sure your forbidden magical pill will be the solution you need.

Maybe try reading a book if you need anymore information, I've already researched it plenty and don't need to continue wasting my time explaining it to you.

Considering your relationship with food I wouldn't think you are a great authority on what is or isn't good for you.

I never claimed to be any such authority, I was basing my opinion of weight watchers based on their ready meals.

You can also reduce calories and lose weight fast by eating nothing but mc donalds every day, plenty of people including university professors have already done as such and have documented it well in plenty of videos. Also subways.

You can lose weight by changing nothing at all about your diet other than halving how much you eat. 'Weight Watchers' and other such things do not work if as the base problem a person finds it too difficult to eat less.

 

[dlockers]

Stop being lazy, fatty.

 

[dowie]

Maybe try reading a book if you need anymore information, I've already researched it plenty and don't need to continue wasting my time explaining it to you.

Reading a book will explain how everything can be solved if only you could get your hands on a particular drug the NHS are gatekeeping, seems doubtful.

If you're coming up with excuses like you don't want to go for walks in case people talk to you then there would seem to be much more scope for you to do more too.

Cut out snacks and junk food, go for a walk every day and I bet you'll both lose weight and start feeling better mentally. Take it progressively, small steps if needed.

You don't need to go from being lethargic to being some gym fanatic, just going for a short walk is an improvement. One thing I saw randomly posted on my local facebook group today for example was some walking group for men's mental health, if there is something like that near you then try it...

Point is you can't just wait for some magical pill because you've convinced yourself it is the solution here after some self-diagnosis, it might well be something that helps you but it's still going to require changes in habits from you too.

 

[Nasher]

There is no drug that will cure being overweight. Its not an illness, its the body storing excess energy.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

self-diagnosis

Its literally on page 5 of the NHS / Nice's official guidelines for what I have an actual diagnosis of:

https://www.candi.nhs.uk/sites/default/files/Depression Prescribing Guidelines_PHA51_Feb 2019.pdf

There is no drug that will cure being overweight. Its not an illness, its the body storing excess energy.

No one is saying that, I have underlying issues that lead to obesity due to inactivity / needing to eat more.

Those underlying issues need treating to enable me to make any improvment.

 

[montymint]

There is no drug that will cure being overweight. Its not an illness, its the body storing excess energy. You'd litterally have to change physics.

No, but some underlying mental health issues can lead to obesity because a lack of self worth can lead to the self descructive love affair you see with food. SSRIs may not work for @BallistixOnZ490 - my OH is on the heavier side and has extreme depression. Her SSRIs on current dosage barely keep her functional some days.

Stop being lazy, fatty.

Is this aimed at anyone in particular?

 

[dowie]

Its literally on page 5 of the NHS / Nice's official guidelines for what I have an actual diagnosis of:

https://www.candi.nhs.uk/sites/default/files/Depression Prescribing Guidelines_PHA51_Feb 2019.pdf

No one claimed these weren't drugs prescribed by the NHS. So are SSRIS and those didn't work out for you.

The point was about focusing on just this drug that has apparently been denied by your healthcare providers, that might or might not be something that could be helpful for you but it's somewhat moot if they're not willing to prescribe it - they're likely not being difficult for the sake of it either.

There are other ways of making progress here.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

No one claimed these weren't drugs prescribed by the NHS. So are SSRIS and those didn't work out for you.

The point was about focusing on just this drug that has apparently been denied by your healthcare providers, that might or might not be something that could be helpful for you but it's somewhat moot if they're not willing to prescribe it - they're likely not being difficult for the sake of it either.

There are other ways of making progress here.

'Although not included in the current NICE guidance, bupropion may be considered if the other treatment options have failedor are not tolerated.Consultant psychiatrist mustbe consulted prior to initiation'

It literally says it should be considered if the other ones fail. An NDRI is a completely different thing to an SSRI, when SSRIs don't work, NDRIs most commonly do, this is the most basic mental health 101 you can get.

I've already been advised by mental health organizations that most clinicians are not aware of the latest criteria's and use out of date ones, as much as previous ones have refused to prescribe any non seratonin medications, they have simultaneously claimed that I cannot have autism because I have a degree, which anyone today can confirm is complete BS.

There are no other ways of making progress when all other ways have been exhausted already. Other than importing amphetamines because why bother paying for anything else?

 

[dlockers]

Is this aimed at anyone in particular?

Myself Needed a bit of tough love.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

I need to remember to mention to the next ASD / ADHD waste of time that I speak to that my mental health is leading to weight gain / obesity and worsening my already diagnosed heart condition. I can neither be active enough and have a ravenous appetite due to how fatigued I always am.

 

[tom_e]

Surely you can't be that ravenous if you only eat one meal a day?
You could go for a walk but you think it's pointless exercise.

 

[montymint]

Myself Needed a bit of tough love.

I feel you there, need to shift the stone I’ve put on the past year

 

[dowie]

[more stuff all focused on magical pill]
There are no other ways of making progress [...]

Sorry but I get the impression it's just an excuse. You need to take some responsibility yourself for weight loss, you can't assume that some drug you've not even been prescribed yet is the only solution, when you're coming out with stuff like you don't want to go for a walk in case you have to talk to someone or that being tired is the reason why you eat so much then there is likely plenty more that can be done on your part. I'm not downplaying the mental health aspect either believe me, though there is plenty to be tried there too that doesn't just reply on being medicated.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Sorry but I get the impression it's just an excuse. You need to take some responsibility yourself for weight loss, you can't assume that some drug you've not even been prescribed yet is the only solution, when you're coming out with stuff like you don't want to go for a walk in case you have to talk to someone or that being tired is the reason why you eat so much then there is likely plenty more that can be done on your part. I'm not downplaying the mental health aspect either believe me, though there is plenty to be tried there too that doesn't just reply on being medicated.

Ok Mr. Armchair specialist.

 

[Rannoch]

Yes I already researched and wanted to buy huel.

Except it costs more than even Dominos everyday.

My perma buggered knee 'shattered' figuratively just from trying to put an ottoman seat together yesterday and now Im confined to my bed with bits of physiotherapy to hope I don't fall on roads again when going for my vaccination on Friday.

Huel is far cheaper than Domino’s. It’s an excellent product.

Do you really think you’ll not be around in a decade?

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Huel is far cheaper than Domino’s. It’s an excellent product.

Do you really think you’ll not be around in a decade?

How much should it cost per kg?