Octa-Core Intel Coffee Lake-S processor spotted

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Mar 2018 at 12:13

That was quick!! So KL had a very short lifespan and so did CFL. Interesting what competition does!!

More details here:

https://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/116435-octa-core-intel-coffee-lake-s-processor-spotted/

4K8KW10 · 21 Mar 2018 at 12:19

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
That was quick!! So KL had a very short lifespan and so did CFL. Interesting what competition does!!

To be honest, I am really surprised that you are somehow surprised and it was kind of unexpected to you?!
We have known for months that Intel will release an 8-core processor with an integrated graphics lol

jigger · 21 Mar 2018 at 12:31

Will be interesting to see how Intel perform with Meltdown and Spectre fixes, but I'm not expecting much TBH. Quad channel memory and a big pool of cache?

Fire_fly · 21 Mar 2018 at 12:45

I think it will all down to when it launches.

If it appears this summer along with the z390 chipset then I can see it wiping the floor with the new Zen CPUs. Be it at the cost of mightily ******* off everyone who has bought a CFL CPU when they find out the need a new motherboard.

If they delay to the end of this year / early next year then the possibility of 12 c 24t Zen 2 at approx 5GHz launching early next year will put a bit of a dampener on it.

4K8KW10 · 21 Mar 2018 at 12:47

This is a 5th generation 14nm product, a refresh of the refresh of the refresh.... So, Coffee Lake refresh, formerly known as Cannonlake. https://wccftech.com/first-intel-8-...-3dmark-database-along-with-z390-motherboard/

Different, didn't we expect a new shrunk 10nm Ice Lake to hit instead?

:confused:

gavinh87 · 21 Mar 2018 at 12:55

Haha 12c 24t at 5ghz from AMD? This forum gets better everyday.

gavinh87 · 21 Mar 2018 at 13:35

And where does that say anything about 12c cores?
Also, it wouldn't be the first time they have over promised then under achieved.

IT Troll · 21 Mar 2018 at 13:36

The reported base clock of 2.2 GHz sounds a bit low. I know it could be a misreport, but that sounds more like a mobile Coffee Lake-H.

HeX · 21 Mar 2018 at 13:43

gavinh87 said:
And where does that say anything about 12c cores?
Also, it wouldn't be the first time they have over promised then under achieved.

It has been widely rumoured that Zen2 will have 6 core CCX's, 2 CCX's per chip, 12C/24T. Think this came from the slides that showed the Zen2 "Starship" Server platform having 48C/96T as it's top model.

Ryzen delivered more than they promised, and brought unheard of 4GHz 16C/32T CPU's along with it. I don't see 12C/24T 5GHz beyond the realms of imagination with a large die shrink and 2 years+ additional development.

4K8KW10 · 21 Mar 2018 at 14:04

gavinh87 said:
And where does that say anything about 12c cores?
Also, it wouldn't be the first time they have over promised then under achieved.

A 12-core chip on the 7nm will be tiny, perhaps less than 150 sq. mm in size.

This is a die shot of the 213 sq. mm 14nm Zeppelin die - 8 cores https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_7/1800x
Each core is tiny and the whole area with 4-cores is estimated to be 44 sq.mm only https://wccftech.com/ryzen-smaller-die-intel-zen-architecture-not-good-hpc/
This same complex will be around 19.8 sq. mm only on the new 7nm process.

humbug · 21 Mar 2018 at 14:05

HeX said:
It has been widely rumoured that Zen2 will have 6 core CCX's, 2 CCX's per chip, 12C/24T. Think this came from the slides that showed the Zen2 "Starship" Server platform having 48C/96T as it's top model.

Ryzen delivered more than they promised, and brought unheard of 4GHz 16C/32T CPU's along with it. I don't see 12C/24T 5GHz beyond the realms of imagination with a large die shrink and 2 years+ additional development.

+1, With 2x 6 Core CCX's (Starship) 12 core mainstream is inevitable, it will happen this time next year. there are also credible rumors that AMD will run a separate server line with 2x 8 Core CCX's, 64 core 128 thread CPU's, AMD are pushing core counts way beyond where Intel can go with their current technology.

jigger · 21 Mar 2018 at 14:27

Fire_fly said:
I think it will all down to when it launches.

If it appears this summer along with the z390 chipset then I can see it wiping the floor with the new Zen CPUs. Be it at the cost of mightily ******* off everyone who has bought a CFL CPU when they find out the need a new motherboard.

If they delay to the end of this year / early next year then the possibility of 12 c 24t Zen 2 at approx 5GHz launching early next year will put a bit of a dampener on it.

Intel already have 8 core chips out. This chip will be nothing we haven't already seen several times before and will most likely be slower in a lot of situations.

DragonQ · 21 Mar 2018 at 16:46

IT Troll said:
The reported base clock of 2.2 GHz sounds a bit low. I know it could be a misreport, but that sounds more like a mobile Coffee Lake-H.

It could just be an engineering sample; they always have lower clock speeds. Or it could just be that they are running into serious TDP issues as they strap on more cores and have to keep base clocks low to keep to TDP targets.

gavinh87 said:
And where does that say anything about 12c cores?
Also, it wouldn't be the first time they have over promised then under achieved.

It's been a persistent rumour for like a year that 6-core CCXs will come with the 7 nm shrink. As HeX posted, it matches with AMD's current roadmaps. Expecting 12c/24t CPUs to hit 5 GHz is very optimistic though and I personally do not expect that; even if the new node gets to 5 GHz, getting that across 12 physical cores will probably not be doable, even with soldered heatspreaders.

Fire_fly · 21 Mar 2018 at 16:49

jigger said:
Intel already have 8 core chips out. This chip will be nothing we haven't already seen several times before and will most likely be slower in a lot of situations.

I think it will come down to architecture and clock speeds. Assuming that Intel can get it running at 8700K ish speeds whilst keeping it (and the VRMs) cool and keep the Ring Bus core interconnects as opposed to the Mesh interconnects used on skylake x, then I can see it beating a 7820x

RavenXXX2 · 21 Mar 2018 at 17:44

5Ghz 16 threads with Intel tooth paste under the lid...Boom

jigger · 21 Mar 2018 at 18:24

Fire_fly said:
I think it will come down to architecture and clock speeds. Assuming that Intel can get it running at 8700K ish speeds whilst keeping it (and the VRMs) cool and keep the Ring Bus core interconnects as opposed to the Mesh interconnects used on skylake x, then I can see it beating a 7820x

We're already seeing the limitations of the ring bus with 4-6 cores able to flood chips with cross talk and that's somewhat compounded with Intels limited ability to scale with memory bandwidth. Quad channel memory and a 24mb of cache might be interesting. The biggest question though is how/if Intel have dealt with spectre and meltdown.

Doogles · 21 Mar 2018 at 18:26

RavenXXX2 said:
5Ghz 16 threads with Intel tooth paste under the lid...Boom

I'm sure they'll start soldering again soon on mainstream i5/i7 chips, I'm gonna get Ryzen in April because at least I can upgrade to 7nm if I want to later on.

sideways14a · 21 Mar 2018 at 18:33

Amazing what happens when you light a fire under intels ass.
That said if this doesnt squeeze out until the end of the year its in some trouble, newthreadripper will likely take it apart and only a few months away from zen2
Heck it might not even beat the 2700x

sajtion · 21 Mar 2018 at 18:51

i cannot imagine a gaming computer without 8 core processor. intel has been too slow to catch up with gaming consoles but now finally it seems they are going to roll them out on the market and about time.

willhub · 21 Mar 2018 at 19:09

Don't know a game that uses 4 cores let alone 8 or 12 or 16 or whatever.