OcUK Poker Thread.

[Penguin]

i've been having some pretty horrid beats on pokerstars recently, massive down swing

 

[*Chris]

PokerStars Game #32453555833: Tournament #192821664, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/09/05 2:13:23 WET [2009/09/04 21:13:23 ET]
Table '192821664 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tweetyx (1420 in chips)
Seat 2: Chrrrissss (1940 in chips)
Seat 3: Dphatz (1450 in chips)
Seat 4: yotekiller (1410 in chips)
Seat 5: pepperpot10 (1460 in chips)
Seat 6: mastique777 (1320 in chips)
Seat 7: Plumbsy (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Britcliffe (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: RaidX (1500 in chips)
pepperpot10: posts small blind 10
mastique777: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chrrrissss [Ah Kc]
Plumbsy: folds
Britcliffe: folds
RaidX: folds
tweetyx: folds
Chrrrissss: raises 80 to 100
Dphatz: folds
yotekiller: folds
pepperpot10: folds
mastique777: raises 820 to 920
Chrrrissss: raises 1020 to 1940 and is all-in
mastique777: calls 400 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (620) returned to Chrrrissss
*** FLOP *** [8h 8d 6h]
*** TURN *** [8h 8d 6h] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [8h 8d 6h Td] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mastique777: shows [2d Qs] (two pair, Eights and Deuces)
Chrrrissss: shows [Ah Kc] (a pair of Eights)
mastique777 collected 2650 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2650 | Rake 0
Board [8h 8d 6h Td 2c]
Seat 1: tweetyx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Chrrrissss showed [Ah Kc] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 3: Dphatz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: yotekiller (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: pepperpot10 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: mastique777 (big blind) showed [2d Qs] and won (2650) with two pair, Eights and Deuces
Seat 7: Plumbsy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Britcliffe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: RaidX folded before Flop (didn't bet)



Talk about Jokerstars.

Was only about the 4th hand, had 4 amazing hands and won all without showing, the guy thought I was just playing aggresive so re-raised me virtually all-in. I thought it was going to be my lucky day...

I lost the rest to him basically the next hand on my Jacks vs his 78s... lol

 

[The Pat]

Just saw this brutal hand.

 

[el_dazza]

Qualified for Event 6 of the WCOOP through this, $1m GTD. Would've bought straight in if I hadn't have qualified but saved myself $100 by doing this!

Got up to nearly $700,000 in chips and just sat back, all the short stacks kept getting horrible suckouts to stay alive but thankfully I survived long enough!

 

[Souness]

started playing limit holdem trying to work my roll up. godamn this game has some savage swings..

souness my man, think you could add me on msn so i could have a lil poker chat with you?

Is that your msn in your sig? I don't know how much help I'll be, never played a hand of limit in my life!

Just saw this brutal hand.

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That has to be staged. 3 maybe 4 girls at one table is making me suspicious 0_o. And why didn't the quad tens win?

 

[Wallace]

That has to be staged. 3 maybe 4 girls at one table is making me suspicious 0_o. And why didn't the quad tens win?

My initial thoughts exactly on both counts but:

10s win the main pot as others were all in. Q2 "winner" must be showing for the side pot

It's play chips so all players at the table will be seeing every flop, as well as the dealer and the blind dog in the lobby who has an uno reverse card, not suprising you see multiway beats like that ^.

 

[RoboCod]

I hate playing play money and low blind real money. Flops are seen far too often.

 

[el_dazza]

Well my WCOOP run lasted all of 25 minutes. Had A-10 vs 9-10 of spades who hit runner runner spades to flush after an A-8-9 board which I bet, and also bet the turn of a 3..

Then was all in for 1.6k with AK against QQ and of course the board comes 2-4-5-7-6.

I run so bad in these big games.

 

[The Pat]

My initial thoughts exactly on both counts but:

10s win the main pot as others were all in. Q2 "winner" must be showing for the side pot

It's play chips so all players at the table will be seeing every flop, as well as the dealer and the blind dog in the lobby who has an uno reverse card, not suprising you see multiway beats like that ^.

Correct that was a side pot.

 

[Artheas]

I played live for the third time yesterday, and i now have some questions of rules/etiquette that some of you more experienced players can hopefully answer.

1) Is it a string bet if i picked up all my chips (1 stack) in 1 hand, crossed them over the line, and let them fall 1 by 1 in rapid succession?

2) Let's say BB is at 1000. If i'm first to act preflop, and say raise, and throw in a 10k chip, is it automatically a 10k raise?

3) If in (2), if i didnt say anything, is that automatically considered a call?

4) Am i right in thinking that a hand can be mucked after showdown, regardless of if it was checked down, or if you/they bet/called? You can muck if you want, but you basically withdraw from the hand, right?

Last night, the dealer (not casino dealer) always turned over both hands after showdown.
So if A bet, B called, and A showed nuts, the dealer would flip over B's cards, even tho B pushed his cards back at the dealer facing down. This is wrong, isn't it?

 

[lewism]

I played live for the third time yesterday, and i now have some questions of rules/etiquette that some of you more experienced players can hopefully answer.

1) Is it a string bet if i picked up all my chips (1 stack) in 1 hand, crossed them over the line, and let them fall 1 by 1 in rapid succession?

no. someone does a string bet if they act like they are going to call but then make a raise. For example, it is standard etiquette that putting the requisite chips for a call into the pot just means a call. If one wants to raise, he or she needs to announce raise before placing chips into the pot. They cannot say 'I call your bet...and raise you 'x.' They must say "I raise." String bets confuse players as to whether the player is calling or raising, so they are not allowed.

2) Let's say BB is at 1000. If i'm first to act preflop, and say raise, and throw in a 10k chip, is it automatically a 10k raise?

yes. that is a raise of 10k chips.

3) If in (2), if i didnt say anything, is that automatically considered a call?

no because you are first to act there are no bets for you to call. since you are first to act that is again a raise. if someone chucked in a 10k chip before you and you threw one in after that is usually considered a call. depends on the table if they like you actually saying call or just accept it.

4) Am i right in thinking that a hand can be mucked after showdown, regardless of if it was checked down, or if you/they bet/called? You can muck if you want, but you basically withdraw from the hand, right?

you can only muck if everyone else folds but you or you fold your hand. if they call you and its time to see who one if the other player shows his hand first and beats you, you can also muck your hand. but usually in all ins/showdowns both players show.

Last night, the dealer (not casino dealer) always turned over both hands after showdown.
So if A bet, B called, and A showed nuts, the dealer would flip over B's cards, even tho B pushed his cards back at the dealer facing down. This is wrong, isn't it?

depends on the table, some people do it, sometimes if you dont say muck people will have a look. however if i returned my cards to the dealer after i knew i was beat and he turned them over i would give him an earful. it gives away your game and it's bad practice.

But since i'm guessing your playing in a game that doesn't use pro dealers you'll just have to get used to this kind of occurence.

 

[A2Z]

1) Is it a string bet if i picked up all my chips (1 stack) in 1 hand, crossed them over the line, and let them fall 1 by 1 in rapid succession?

Yes

2) Let's say BB is at 1000. If i'm first to act preflop, and say raise, and throw in a 10k chip, is it automatically a 10k raise?

Yes

3) If in (2), if i didnt say anything, is that automatically considered a call?

Yes

4) Am i right in thinking that a hand can be mucked after showdown, regardless of if it was checked down, or if you/they bet/called? You can muck if you want, but you basically withdraw from the hand, right?

Yes

Last night, the dealer (not casino dealer) always turned over both hands after showdown.
So if A bet, B called, and A showed nuts, the dealer would flip over B's cards, even tho B pushed his cards back at the dealer facing down. This is wrong, isn't it?

Yes that is wrong.

 

[Souness]

^^ Never assume these guys are trained professionals, a lot of them are just blackjack dealers pulled off their usual game. Having played poker several times at Gala casino in Bristol, I can safetly say half of the dealers (and players for that matter) don't have a f'n clue.

For example, in a tournament, player 1 called the big blind of 100, player 2 then raised to 400, then player 3 made it 600 total. I was like wtf, if it's already been raised by x, then any further raises have to be x minimum, but the whole table inc the dealer was like nah, the min raise only ever has to be the value of the big blind (or words to that effect). I tried to explain that I had played hundreds of thousands of hands online, so therefore am 100% certain of the rules of the game, but this was obviously a mistake as it triggered an avalanche of "haha this ain't the internet pal, this is REAL poker!" type comments so I just laughed and gave up.

So be warned... if you go to play in one of these places beware it's often a bunch of inbred locals trying to badger you into playing some kind of "house rules". Sticking to the internet until I go to america, methinks.

 

[Artheas]

lol didn't they have a staff member acting as 'poker floor manager' to settle things like this?

Gala casino was where i played too, and they never have any casino staff acting as dealers. It always players who act as dealers (in tourneys. in cash games, they have proper casino dealers of course). The first time i played live and saw this, i was like 'what the hell?!' as they could easily cheat me with sneaky shuffles that dont actually shuffle etc, things i wouldnt know how to detect.

About the string bet question, i still think that because all the chips cross the line together, it shouldnt be considered a string bet.
Been thinking about it more, i think what happened was that i didnt actually say raise, and if so, then it appears that its correct for them to see it as a call and not a raise. But if i had said raise and dropped the chips like that, i still feel it should be considered a raise of my whole stack.

 

[Rotty]

Huge game in Nottingham tomorrow at DTD

Line up includes

Doyle Brunson
Phil Hellmuth
Annette Obestrad

and loads of others


couple of weeks ago was looking for a late night tourney on Fremont St, had choice of the $75 at Binions or the $60 at the Nugget

Chose Binions and heard next morning that loads of the pros had been out on the beer and turned up to play the Nugget $60 game

missed out on playing with the likes of Hellmuth,Ivey, Gavin Smith and about 20 others

 

[Rotty]

Ha ha , Hellmuth didn't last 3 hrs

 

[Hilly]

Hahaha, shame you missed out Rotty, would have been a pleasure to play with some of the names you have mentioned!

 

[E61 Grouphead]

Ah gutting

I bet they still play really well while drunk though

How did the Binions tournament work out?

 

[Rotty]

Ah gutting

I bet they still play really well while drunk though

How did the Binions tournament work out?

pretty crap, overall the trip didn't go well poker wise, only cashed once

Atlantic City in a few weeks, poker is much better there

 

[salami1212]

Is that your msn in your sig? I don't know how much help I'll be, never played a hand of limit in my life!




That has to be staged. 3 maybe 4 girls at one table is making me suspicious 0_o. And why didn't the quad tens win?

hello mate, nah i dont pay limit usually, i was just playing it for a change and not really liking it. I just saw your graph and you obviously are pretty good at poker, i was just wondering if I could talk with you about some things on msn.. and yea thats my msn in my trust.
Cheers