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OcUK RX6500XT review thread

And a lot of that issue stems from the price of some of these pre-builds. I've seen umpteen videos from "GN" and "Dawid does tech stuff", etc, tearing a lot of these systems down, and its appalling the build standard of most of these systems, but also the quality of parts used (and lack thereof, ie: 1x 8 stick 2666mhz memory in a ryzen build that thrives on dual channel memory). Totally profit driven with shoddy workmanship with no respect of the customer/consumer.

The systems I found for people which were from UK based builders. All using standardised parts - you could configure what motherboard(or brand of RAM you wanted and the config),etc and the build was mostly fine. So when you started adding up the price of the parts(all branded),in the end it was no point building a system,because unless you managed to find an FE drop,it was more expensive to build it yourself! So even if you had to do a once through with the build yourself(not that it needed to happen IIRC) to tidy some cables up,etc you might as well just order the bits you wanted as a complete build! Plus the fact there have been plenty of deals for gaming laptops. NOS RTX2060 and GTX1660,etc also on top of the RTX3060 ones.

The reality is that Nvidia/AMD and their board partners are selling us these same parts for a good markup. But obviously for a number of these companies it isn't happening. I still remember getting Ryzen 9 3900 non-X CPUs in bundles for nearly the same price as a Ryzen 7 3700/3800X with the same motherboards,and at times it was less twice the price of a Ryzen 5 3600(for twice the cores). It made me wonder how much AMD was making on the retail packaged models.

I have sad feeling the moment they see a "DIY PC builder" all they see is Dollar signs in their eyes. It used to be so much different 10~20 years ago!

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I could literally spec up a set of reasonable parts,and get it cheaper delivered as a whole PC and it shows the big issue now most people wanting to build their rig face - we are right down the priority list! You could argue about upgrading an older system which is a sunk cost,so yes its better than a GTX1050TI! But a GTX1050TI was rubbish even in 2016,as it was barely faster than a GTX960 4GB!

But it hits the problem of the PCI-E link being too narrow and causing more problems,plus many older systems have slower DDR3/DDR4 which is an issue too(remember the reviewers are testing higher end systems with fast RAM in PCI-E 3.0 mode).

We are in the intergenerational period between console generations. Over the next two years,more and more newer games are going to get more intensive. Even games such as PUBG,WoW,etc have all gotten big updates which further tax GPUs,and its most likely with MS buying up Activision-Blizzard I can see WoW coming to consoles with keyboard and mouse support.Most of the people I know who play those games already have had that performance for upto 6 years now because RX470/RX570 dGPUs were as low as £120 IIRC,and early 2020,NOS ones were being sold by a Sapphire/Powercolor partner here for well under £100(100s of them,maybe even 1000s).

The issue going forward is all these games have been getting big updates which are making them more taxing visually. So someone who already has had an RX470 from 2016,has had it for 6 years. That performance has been around for 6 years under £200. But if you get that level of performance now,or a bit better how much longer is it going to be fine? I can just see the RX6500XT being replaced relatively quickly once it starts to struggle in more and more games,or someone replaces their old 1080p monitor with a newer one(high refresh rate or higher resolution).

To a lesser degree it also affects the RTX3050 which is another performance stagnation. I have a feeling people are going to buy these dGPUs and within a year or two start to feel disappointed with their purchases.
 
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I totally agree with you about the consoles, stick mouse and keyboard support, even at a later date, a cut down version of windows, and you've got very cheap pc that'll play most of the games you'd want to, happy days for all!

Surprised MS hasn't gone that way already! The XBox for many years has run a cut down version of Windows with a different UI over it.
 
Don't think MS would bother. They make relatively little money on the actual hardware sales of xboxes, and would cannibalise pc sales. And the last thing they want is people being able to install steam on an xbox. As it stands they take a cut of all games played on the xbox

It doesn't need Steam - it just needs keyboard and mouse support on games bought through their store. For example Activision-Blizzard is being bought by MS,which means WoW would be owned by MS. Since that costs over £100/year to play,can you imagine how much more money they could make if they brought WoW to XBox with keyboard and mouse support? Both current XBox models would make very solid budget WoW boxes.The XBox essentially uses a downclocked Ryzen 7 4700G with Zen2 cores,so shouldn't run too bad IMHO,as the WoW engine now supports DX12.
 
CAT people like you are the reason $200 GPU's are dead. Its you and people like you.

Rich coming from people who have defended the price escalation for years now. People have defended every rubbish mainstream dGPU for years.

Even Polaris/Pascal midrange dGPUs were not great when you could have gotten an R9 390/GTX970 for not much more in the UK the year before.

I told people to stop defending these mediocre releases, most of my mates used to be under £250 dGPU buyers.

First people dunked on Turing rightfully but then people defended AMD rebranding its Polaris successor(RX5700XT with a 250MM2 die) as a near £400 dGPU because Nvidia allowed them to. The same goes with the defence of the RX5600XT which caused the RX5700 non-XT to dissappear.

You have the audacity to excuse make for a company selling a 100mm2 dGPU,ie,an RX560 successor for £200ish and tell me I am the reason the market is this way?

AMD CBA with the UK market at all - why couldn't they sell RRP reference models here then?? They did in the EU - that shows you how they couldn't give a rats arse about the UK.

People dunked on Intel overpricing its 6 core dGPUs. Said even though a Ryzen 5 3600 was lower priced,it was all about price/performance.

The moment AMD won and priced its Ryzen 5 5600X over £100 more than a barely smaller Ryzen 5 3600,it was all fine.

So if anything look in the mirror - people always will dunk on Intel/Nvidia if they overprice stuff. But ever since late 2020,people suddenly have excuse made for anything AMD pushes out,even if its poorer value or simply overpriced.

I BLAME people like that 150% for AMD overpricing all of its stuff now.

I saw the same thing during the Athlon 64 era - people dunked on Intel overpricing stuff,but the second AMD did it,it was all perfectly exceptable.

It's that defence which means AMD feels it can do the same nonsense as Intel and Nvidia.

Because all of "value arguments" were because it was AMD.

I always have valued price/performance and decent products irrespective of brand.

Its why all the supporters on here have accused me of either being pro-AMD,pro-Intel or pro-Nvidia,when they are basically exposing their own emotional attachments to foreign owned corporations which are of zero consequence to this country. I care only for value for money,and even that is going to be relative to what came before. I have definitely have an attachment to value for money,even if it means not buying any product in a generation.

I don't exist to prop up any of these idiot corporations. Not companies who have been making record margins and profits.

AMD want's to be the "premium choice" - great for them. I didn't even buy an Athlon 64 because I got fed up of their overpriced CPUs back then and stuck it out with an Athlon XP.

Go and pay more for a pint of milk or something and help our own companies. These foreign taxpayer supported companies don't need our pity or our help.
 
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they all want a piece of the pie, which as the last year has shown (and the scalping in other markets now firmly in computers), the buying public will buy anything, FOMO. Cannot simply go `herp derp miners`; its everything, demand for product from anyone, gamers suddenly finding that play at 1080p on low isnt cutting it anymore (yes AMD sucks for the POS 6500XT, at least make it 8gb to stop the texture thrashing), you have business finding the new tech can run projects a lot faster, when time = money. Shipping when containers are 20x the cost of 18 months ago - and reports of shipments being unloaded dockside because someone else has paid more for the space (thats from reddit and actual kickstarters); covid having a people actually making stuff problem, supply chains from digging material from the ground (or growing in tanks) to the explosion in elecronic everything (Internet of Things* in everything you can buy - lets not even talk about cars being laid up (and as Gibbo said, either stupid long lead times or the same car not having features for no cost reduction). Yes mroe factories can *people* can help, bu the bottlenecks are there for a few years yet. If Musk came in and bout every single 3nm chip from TSMC at top price, in cash, this year, what would happen to everyone else?

Plus if you see my comments on here - I literally went LOL at the RTX3050 performance too. The RX6500XT is just a poor dGPU no ifs and buts,and most of the people defending it already have a better dGPU.

Its like all the people who defending dual core CPUs,when rocking a Core i7 and saying games won't thread well. The RTX3050 is also mediocre even at RRP - how is GTX1060~GTX1070 performance in 2022 a good thing,when a console obliterates most of these systems.

Most of my mates who are the target class for these dGPUs are looking at the performance and deciding to stay put with even 5~6 year old dGPUs,or considering a console is a better bet.

I am sick and tired of the rank hypocrisy on here. The reality is that they are all at it - I knew this from the point AMD during the Athlon 64 era,went to Intel level premium pricing,and 3 different platforms(754,939 and QuadFX),when they went with Socket 462 for years. We saw it since Vega,AMD was going to match Nvidia on pricing.

Guess what?? ATI also many times matched Nvidia pricing when they were decent too.

I have dunked on so many Intel/Nvidia products on here and I told people to stop using "cost excuses". Nvidia fans used that with Kepler. Do you think all the slides being leaked about Nvidia complaining about 28NM costs were random?? It was probably marketing doing it on purpose trying to push the £900 Titan dGPUs and it worked a treat as people repeated the 28nm costs more mantra on here.

ALL these companies are pandemic profiteering - record gross and net margins,means ALL of them are excuse making. AMD on top of this is selling tons of consoles,which are lower margin. Have you not considered if AMD is making increasing margins,with so many console sales,they are making very decent margins on their CPUs and dGPUs??

Why has no one questioned(and I have said it here for months here),that its easier/cheaper to buy an AMD/Nvidia dGPU in a prebuilt desktop/laptop? Seen a whole RTX3050 desktop with a Ryzen 5 3600 advertised for around £700.

Even MLID has caught up with what I said in one of his recent videos and I told you guys ages ago I noticed this. I also said on here,consoles make more sense. So even buying a console supports AMD.

In fact on record over the last 5 years,maybe longer I have told you chaps,that PCMR enthusiasts are considered a higher margin group. AMD/Nvidia/Intel are all giving great discounts to a number of partners and we need to sometimes step back and not buy or excuse make for them.

Remember all the ones on here defending £300 Core i7s?? I pointed out they were subsidising cheap Atom sales(because of contrarevenue).

When they have huge investment firms such as Black Rock owning shares in AMD,Intel and Nvidia,where do you think it is heading? It's only one way.


Why can't some of you just stop defending these mediocre releases instead of trying to find Diamonds in a pile of turds??

Can't people see the ONLY dGPU releases which were the cards launched in late 2020 at the original RRPs. The rest are just rubbish. During the last mining rush in 2018,the best thing to do was not buy.

Don't buy at these prices,then you will find companies changing tact very quickly. Literally every part I have bought,has been 2020 and earlier releases,because the releases after that are just pandemic profiteering prices and AMD/Intel/Nvidia can keep them.

Plus if pricing gets worse,either I will get a prebuilt system,or a console or just give up gaming. I don't exist to prop these con "charities" who the US taxpayer is already propping up with tax breaks and free money via government contracts.
 
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The one part i disagree with is pricing; the huge scalping companies are now firmly locked onto the computer/ console market ; these same people write bleeding edge bots to bypass the security for trainers / concert tickets / clothes / toys and are now seeing profit streams in computers. When RTX 4000/7000 (PS6 and xbox something) is launched, expect hedging on the products at any price because FOMO and the perception of low availability. Not mining at all, but the entire capitalist trope of demand > supply.

The fact is all of the tech companies,shipping companies,AIB partners and everyone is using "pandemic" excuses. They are simply increasing prices way above any actual cost increases - record margins and profits at every level. If these companies had flat revenue and margins it might be what you say it is - but the reality is everyone is trying a fast one.

Its like if the price of flour went up by 20% and a loaf of £1 bread a baker makes,uses 40p of flour. So instead of increasing the price by 8p,they push it up to £1.20,by telling their customers flour costs 20% more so the FINAL PRICE costs 20% more. Then someone buys all the loaves and sells them for £1.40,which is where the scalpers come in.

Look at all the tech companies for example - the same massive investment houses own shares in all of them,so you can see who is pushing these prices higher and higher. Then a lot of these CEOs and upper management's wealth is in shares - this is when you realise they couldn't give a rats arse about consumers or even their own employees(many companies have been firing employees despite decent earnings).

AMD when it was first started by people like Jerry Sanders was was not so profit orientated.

He steered the company through hard times as well. In 1974, a particularly bad recession almost broke the company. Through many difficult recessions he refused to lay off employees, a reaction to the rampant layoffs that had occurred at Fairchild earlier. Instead of reducing employees, he asked them to work Saturdays to get more done and get new products out sooner. There were also good times for the company. Sanders gave each one of his employees $100 as they walked out of the door during AMD's first $1M quarter. AMD implemented a cash profit-sharing employee compensation program, where employees would regularly get profit checks of $1,000 or more.

His maxim was "People first, products and profit will follow!" This was given as a printout for each AMD worker who started a job at AMD in Dresden until Sanders's retirement.

That is the AMD I grew up with. The moment he left,AMD moved towards being a typical corporation,and their current upper lot,are typical Silicon Valley types who care more about the massive investment houses.

As a result they have to be treated the same as each other.

Multiple new millionaires(and probably billionaires) have been made out of this pandemic,because everyone can use "human malware" as an excuse to jack pricing up.

People in a few years time will realise this,when all these companies will have made record profits out of the pandemic and got record levels of tax breaks and government(taxpayer) money which we will be footing the cost for.

People's salaries are mostly not increasing at the rate of inflation,and people will be in real terms getting poorer and poorer. Plus we will be all paying more tax,and all the said people who profiteered will have quietly avoided as much tax as they can.

The worst aspect of this is the small and medium businesses appear to have gotten little of the financial help,the larger companies have received so they are weathering the storm far better. I suppose Ralph Nader was right that true capitalism is only preached by smaller businesses,and the rest is almost some form of weird socialism.

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Plus it wouldn't surprise me one bit the actual engineers who get all the blame for decisions are not the wrong party here. It's all the accountant types who make these decisions anyway whilst getting zero of the blame. They are controlling the segmentation in reality. They are controlling the supply too - its in their own interest to restrict supply to our market to keep pricing as high as possible,and justify idiotic RRPs.

Anyway,I am not going to talk more of this here. People need to realise the 2018 crypto boom lead to Turing.

That was another period where abnormal dGPU pricing lead to a horrendous value generation of dGPUs at launch. Luckily there was enough pushback to partially rectifiy this,but this time I really don't know. The issue is the same people excuse making for the same relative pricing back then are doing it now and attacked people when they criticised the pricing. They are the main reason Turing happened - they have learnt nothing and are destroying this hobby. They are addicted to buying stuff and can't understand not buying is also a thing.

Trying to find Diamonds in a pile of turds.

They "NEED" to pick a side.

This is the madness affecting modern politics - its all about "relative" positions not absolute ones,so we end up with the modern political discord which is verging between more and more extremes,and the centre being dunked on.
 
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RX 6400 sounds like it might fill a clear gap in the market. I hope the rumours of it being mainly OEM only aren't true.

And IMO nVIDIA should also release an RTX 2030 or equivalent and bring an end to the GTX series. It would probably be pretty useless for ray-tracing, but DLSS at the lower end would be nice to have

Apparently it's bus powered too.
 

Will update OP later.
An even lower part is coming?

Oh boy, think of the quality of those reviews already.

A whole new batch of drivel that price/performance is worse than 6 years ago and that a bottom end part has the features slaughtered compared to a midrange part.

It will most likely be bus powered so at least at $130 it will have a niche.

Retains the 4GB of the RX6500XT. Will basically be the successor to the bus powered RX460 2GB and the GTX1050 2GB.
 
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