OcUk scientist help

[Dinomania]

Is it just a size of receptacle thing?

Like, the jar or butter box is big enough to make a damaging bomb?

I assumed that's why we had small containers only, because anything made inside something that size wouldn't be too dangerous (which it why they won't allow you through with half-empty things even though they've been used to clearly under the 100ml point).

I could be very wrong of course!

Have you tried bringing in the items mentioned in the OP in smaller containers?

 

[Tefal]

Concentrated peroxide with acetone and a match would produce one hell of a fire, I imagine that'll be as effective as an explosion in bringing down a plane.

Even if it doesn't the fear of being burnt alive (assuming you throw it over the passenger next to you/in front/behind) would probably be worse than the fear of being blown up for many people

 

[Jonny69]

Mix in a tablespoon of potassium permanganate from the airport pharmacy, screw the lid on tight and run. I guarantee it will explode

I bet I could make a good bomb in an airport, after the security scan.

 

[dannyjo22]

I'm pretty sure they say that about you too.

They must think FF here comes the **** that can't read the labels on his damn bottles.

I can read the labels, it's them making the rules up as they go along which gets on my nerves. How is Marmalade, more of a liquid than a curry which is fine to bring in. Baked beans are also fine in a clear container. Pretty much any meal with liquid is fine, even soup but all of a sudden because they fancy my marmalade it's a banned substance.

The laughable thing is I'm an engineer on the aircraft, I'm security cleared I can find easier ways to crash an aircraft than marmalade. As I said I take a knife through security everyday. If I wanted I could stash that behind the trim at row 15a for you to pick up at a later date or something much worse.

We also have access to thousands of litres of Iso Prop alcohol. I'm sure I could do more damage with that than Marmalade or a fruit corner yogurt.

Not only that when I'm on site I can drive off and pick up whatever I wanted in a company vehicle and just drive back airside. I've had my vehicle properly searched once in 2 and half years.

I could pick a gun up from my car and get it airside or stash it (if I had a gun).

I've had insignificant items removed from me due to being dangerous but then watch security members of staff turn up for duty with liquids that they take 'airside' or wave through a mate and don't check them regardless of whether they set the scanner off.

What're you taking a leatherman onto a plane for?.

As above I'm an engineer. I can be trusted to bring in whatever knifes/metal implements I want, for example just last week I bought through security a set of screwdrivers in a sealed box that had just been purchased. They didn't even open the box up. They have never once inspected my leatherman in all the time I've worked there.

God forbid you bring in something they fancy eating.

They have stopped people going through before using the story that it cannot go airside because if melted it becomes a liquid. What kind of retarded argument is that.

 

[NormanPorkinson]

1949 September 9th. Canada, Quebec region, near Sault Au Cochon, Quebec: a bomb exploded in a forward baggage compartment of a Quebec Airways (Canadia Pacific) DC-3; 23 people died


1955 November 1st. USA, Colorado, Denver, United Air Lines Douglas DC-6B was bombed in flight by a relative of a passenger, all 44 people died


1957 July 25th. USA, California, near Daggett: a bomb exploded in mid-air 17 minutes after take-off in the lavatory of a Western Airlines CV-240; the pilots managed to safely land the plane, only 1 person died


1960 January 6th. USA, North Carolina, near Bolivia: a bomb exploded in passenger compartment of a National Airlines DC-6 at 18,000 feet; 34 people died killed.



1974 September 8th. Greece, over Ionian Sea: a TWA Boeing 707 crashed into the sea. According to the NTSB a bomb exploded in the rear cargo compartment, damaging the elevator and rudder control cables. All 88 people aboard died


1982 August 11th. Pacific Ocean, near Hawaii: a PanAm Boeing 747 was en route from Japan to the U.S. when a bomb exploded under a seat; one passenger died.


1985 June 23rd. Atlantic Ocean, near the Irish coast: Air India Boeing 747 originated in Toronto and was en route to Bombay when a bomb exploded on board near the Irish coast. The aircraft broke up in flight and crashed into the sea. All 329 people aboard died.


1986 April 2nd. Greece, near Athens: A bomb exploded in the cabin area of a TWA Boeing 727, blowing a hole in the fuselage and causing 4 passengers to be sucked out of the aircraft to their deaths. The pilots managed to land the aircraft safely.


1988 December 21st. UK over Lockerbie: PanAmerican Boeing 747 exploded in mid-air due to an improvised explosive device hidden in a radio. All 259 people an board and eleven Lockerbie residents died.


1989 September 19th. Niger, Tenere Desert: French UTA DC-10 Airliner, mid-air explosion due to a bomb, all 171 people died.

2004 June 28th. Turkey, Istanbul airport: explosion inside a Turkish Airlines Boeing 737; a booby-trapped package resembling a wallet was found by the cleaning crew after the passengers had disembarked from a flight originating at the city of Izmir; when a cleaner opened the package, it exploded; the incident occurred hours before US President George W. Bush was due to fly out after attending a NATO summit; three people were hurt.

What's your point?

Not many then - So little in fact, that there's a million times more chance of getting run over or being involved in a fatal car crash on the way to work!

 

[JonJ678]

God forbid you bring in something they fancy eating.

This sounds quite a good fit, and I sympathise with your anger. After all, you're essentially being robbed by a security guard. Can't imagine that logging complaints would achieve anything useful.

I didn't realise engineers flew on each flight, as an engineering student I'm immediately interested. What sort of things do you do on an average, or indeed an abnormal flight?

 

[platinum87]

I dont think anyone should be dicussing HOW to make a bomb

 

[Frenzy]

I dont think anyone should be dicussing HOW to make a bomb

probably not on this forum, its easy enough to google though. I remember googling stuff like this 10+ years ago, thats how i found the anarchists cookbook, funtimes.

Yeah i realise google wasnt around then, just used to calling search google. I used copernicus at the time

 

[tom_e]

This sounds quite a good fit, and I sympathise with your anger. After all, you're essentially being robbed by a security guard. Can't imagine that logging complaints would achieve anything useful.

I didn't realise engineers flew on each flight, as an engineering student I'm immediately interested. What sort of things do you do on an average, or indeed an abnormal flight?

I don't think they do its just I imagine he needs access to aircraft to carry out his job, and as that involves going air side he is checked whether flying or not

 

[JonJ678]

Ah. Misunderstanding of the phrase "air side" on my part. Cheers

 

[dannyjo22]

This sounds quite a good fit, and I sympathise with your anger. After all, you're essentially being robbed by a security guard. Can't imagine that logging complaints would achieve anything useful.

Yes all of us that come through have had our bags searched for no reason what so ever if they see we have a load of food, cakes biscuits etc.

They have a rifle through to see if they can find something they can take.

With the incident with the marmalade the girl was eyeing it up, she went to take it off me and I said I would take it back to my car. She wasn't happy. Some of the guys take it back open the packet and pour whatever it is in the bin to stop them eating it. Others will eat whatever it is in security no matter how long it takes.

I wouldn't care so much if they hadn't stopped us using the shops landside as well, it makes eating a decent diet so much harder. Frozen packet meals or sod all.

 

[aardvark]

Concentrated peroxide with acetone and a match would produce one hell of a fire, I imagine that'll be as effective as an explosion in bringing down a plane.

100ml of acetone will burn away very quickly with no problem at all. the hydrogen peroxide will make no difference, in fact it will make it burn less - you can't just mix the two for an instant bomb, doesn't work that way.

 

[JonJ678]

Concentrated peroxide is unstable, tending to release oxygen. I suppose I could add that bleeding into it accelerates this process. Acetone burns by combining with oxygen, seems a fair guess that oxygen leaving one can be used to accelerate the burning of the other. I agree that the volume of fire will be small, but it'll be very hot, and at least the seats and passengers are flammable. Fair enough if I'm wrong though, I get on badly with chemistry.

 

[aardvark]

Concentrated peroxide is unstable, tending to release oxygen. I suppose I could add that bleeding into it accelerates this process. Acetone burns by combining with oxygen, seems a fair guess that oxygen leaving one can be used to accelerate the burning of the other. I agree that the volume of fire will be small, but it'll be very hot, and at least the seats and passengers are flammable. Fair enough if I'm wrong though, I get on badly with chemistry.

true in theory, but hydrogen peroxide comes as solution in water (even the industrial stuff is only 50% peroxide and is not flammable or explosive) - the water stabilises peroxide greatly and in any fire will more than compensate for the presence of any peroxide. thats why only desperate idiots with hooks for hands use acetone peroxide - its either too wet and nothing happens or its too dry and unstable and blows off limbs willy nilly.