Soldato
I was more bothered about curling more than ohp
Gunz bro... Gunz!
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Gunz bro... Gunz!
I understand what you mean - from a BB finishing perspective, I'd agree.
Not even once for me when free weights are available.
OD, your lifts are truly quite abysmal for the amount of time you've been working out. Chicks do more than that with a couple months solid training. What's up with your routine, buddy?
Lack of consistency, frequency changes and an aversion to squatting.
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Fixed that for you
I started at 27.5kg and I'm at 50kg now.
Caporegime
If you want a well-developed body, single arm dumbbell rows.
There is no excuse for using machines.
While I agree, they have their uses.
For instance I'm using the above machine for extra back work, as well as my dedicated back day purely because I'm lacking in that area and it needs developing.
If there is an exercise that needs to be done for which there is no comparable free-weight substitute? I'm slightly more understanding. 
However, not as a substitute (i.e. dumbell flies/bench vs. pec dec, or squats vs. leg press).
However, not as a substitute (i.e. dumbell flies/bench vs. pec dec, or squats vs. leg press).
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Call me an overtraining nitwit, but I just do bothIf there is an exercise that needs to be done for which there is no comparable free-weight substitute? I'm slightly more understanding.
However, not as a substitute (i.e. dumbell flies/bench vs. pec dec, or squats vs. leg press).
Call me an overtraining nitwit, but I just do both
Overtraining nitwit.
Or rather, you weren't trying hard enough on your compound work.
Caporegime
If there is an exercise that needs to be done for which there is no comparable free-weight substitute? I'm slightly more understanding.
However, not as a substitute (i.e. dumbell flies/bench vs. pec dec, or squats vs. leg press).
Oh no, never a substitute unless you have to in Od's case, I do them as extra on a different day.
Man of Honour
There is no excuse for using machines.
Rubbish, totally depends on goals
Man of Honour
Do you not agree? If you're strength training then sure, machines offer no real benefit at all. But training for size, I'd say they definitely have a use
I'm not saying they don't have a use at all... but only if there is no comparable free weights.
There are some vagaries regarding constant, uniform tension in the muscles being worked, and isolating a specific muscle for 'optimal' growth, but I don't think that to be a (competitive) bodybuilder machines are required.
Man of Honour
I'd say it depends on the exercise, muscle group
Working rear delts for example, much better with machines for things like face pulls, rear delt fly (the movement with a machine is so much better, unless you have 100% perfect form, which is difficult if you want to up the weight).
Hamstrings too, yes you can build hamstrings without machines, might fiiiiiiiine hamstrings, but a decent hammy station machine, so good for hitting areas you may not always hit with free weights
They are definitely not required, but they can definitely give you the edge
Working rear delts for example, much better with machines for things like face pulls, rear delt fly (the movement with a machine is so much better, unless you have 100% perfect form, which is difficult if you want to up the weight).
Hamstrings too, yes you can build hamstrings without machines, might fiiiiiiiine hamstrings, but a decent hammy station machine, so good for hitting areas you may not always hit with free weights
They are definitely not required, but they can definitely give you the edge
That's the crux of it, really.
You (and UE, for example) are very different BEASTS from the OP, which is something to be borne in mind, too.
Well I have only been on a muscle build program for 2 weeks now. My previous few months have been about losing fat.
Lets see how far I can go in the next few months.
I will try to increase my weight every session where possible then.
Lets see how far I can go in the next few months.
I will try to increase my weight every session where possible then.
Soldato
I'll update tonight, as I'm at work at the moment.
I suspect my diet still isnt right. I seem to struggle over the weekends. Either I over eat... or I struggle to get in everything in the hours I have avialble to me.
Sleeping in and going out, means I have little time to cram everything I usually eat on a weekday between the hours of 9am - 9pm.
I tried my best to maintain the diet over the weekend, but I seem to have actually lost weight.
I suspect my diet still isnt right. I seem to struggle over the weekends. Either I over eat... or I struggle to get in everything in the hours I have avialble to me.
Sleeping in and going out, means I have little time to cram everything I usually eat on a weekday between the hours of 9am - 9pm.
I tried my best to maintain the diet over the weekend, but I seem to have actually lost weight.
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Caporegime
Your target for bench is abysmal. Bodyweight bench press is the bare minimum to even think about aiming for tbh.
Your obsession with weight is stopping you progressing also. Stop worrying about 1kg of weight over 2 days or whatever, it's bad for you to stress about such rubbish.
Your obsession with weight is stopping you progressing also. Stop worrying about 1kg of weight over 2 days or whatever, it's bad for you to stress about such rubbish.
Soldato
How about if you actually want to hit your goals you just man the **** up and get **** done.
It's just initial targets. I have always struggled to get above 42.5kg, so aiming for 50kg initially would be a bit of a break through.
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