***Official Electronics Thread of Officialness (it starts off with lots of Nixie Tube Clock goodness

  • Thread starter Thread starter Aod
  • Start date Start date

Aod

Aod

Soldato
Joined
7 Oct 2004
Posts
8,662
Location
London
Welcome to the Official OcUK Electronics stuff thread!
If you've got a query about something electronic or electrical, want to learn something new or interesting or just feel like looking these strange wizened electronics nutters, i hope that you'll find what you're looking for here! :D

The Thread started as a thread about Nixie Clocks and concentrates on such for the first ~420 posts or so (six pages if you're on the manly 80PPP setting :D)










Original OP begins:


I've been wanting one of these for years now, ever since i saw one in a book in about 1997 (it was a 1970's Longines desk-clock, very retro!) and reinforced by seeing them on http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/count.html

I tried to build one from scratch while at Uni with the resources of the electrical engineering lab, but due to numerous setbacks and delays in getting components (3 months to get an IRF740!) i never ended up finishing, and my Russian IN-8-2 Tubes sat languishing in their Melz-Vacuum-Tube-Factory boxes for more than two years.

Until now, when i noticed that a webshop was selling professionally made PCB's and component sets for 6-digit Nixie clocks designed for my particular tubes, i decided to go for broke and buy a kit.

Starting at 1:30AM on sunday morning (after a night out in Camden no less!) i finished up with this at about 10AM:

Component-side. the design uses solid-state (transformerless) DC-DC switching to boost the 12V DC-in to the 170V DC that the tubes need to strike.
Ur1if.jpg

This is what it looks like when it's on :D
The Neon dot between the 2nd and 3rd digits is the AM-indicator. there's another one between the 4th and 5th that indicates PM.
57EMD.jpg
replaced image with one showing better colours, it was too yellow before

And what it looks like with a bit more Ambient illumination:
xU84z.jpg

Top-down view of the soldering:
D2yeA.jpg

Semi-detail of the soldering:
V2OcT.jpg

Detail-detail of the soldering:
NJ55n.jpg

Those are 1/4w miniature resistors, and those solder-joints are less than 1mm in diameter.

Considering it's been over a year since i did any soldering last, and i was using a gas-powered Iron and not a temperature-controlled desk-iron, i'm very pleased with the quality of the soldering :)

To be honest, this wasn't an especially difficult project, simply solder on the designated components into their silkscreened locations. soldering the 'tubes was the only hard part, and the only instance where i had to make a repair because the soldering iron went haywire and incinerated a solder-pad for the 1-digit on the first nixie :eek: :(

Here's a lousy quality video of the clock in action:

The tubes are "new" old stock, manufactured in Moscow in February 1992, so while they "burn in" i'm having the clock run the "slot-machine-routine" every minute, which cycles rapidly through all the digits to prevent Cathode-degradation.

After a few more days i'll set it to hourly because it's a bit annoying.

The clock shows the date for five seconds every minute, but i might turn that off too, the settings menu is rather comprehensive considering that it's a simple clock. everything is controlled by a PIC16F1936 8-Bit microcontroller which derives the timebase from a 32.768kHz crystal oscillator, so in it's current state it should be accurate to at least a couple of seconds a day.

It also has the option to update the time from either a serial GPS unit or a radio-time-signal Antenna. i'll probably go for the GPS option some time soon.

So, what do you guys think?
 
Last edited:
Thanks!
Yes, i'll probably make a folded-steel enclosure to protect the components. There's 170V DC on the board which you can just plop your fingers on, it doesn't hurt (much) but isn't very good for the components.

The tubes were $30 US for all six, plus $11 shipping, but that was two years ago.
the Kit itself was £35.

if you want to build one yourself the best thing to do is see what Tubes are available. Availability changes all the time as stocks sell out or new old stocks are found in dusty warehouse corners. be prepared to pay lots of money if you want large tubes like IN-18 or ZM1040

There are lots on ebay, and there are also specialist webshops selling tubes.

here are a few things i found on ebay that were interesting:

6x IN-18 tube sets - fairly good price.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IN-18-NIX...119?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a1c2d117
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IN-18-NIX...pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3cbb7cb2c9

Kit to go with the above:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-DIGIT-I..._Consumer_VintageAudio_RL&hash=item3a663c2d01

IN-8's (very similar to mine but with solid pins)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IN-8-IN8-..._Consumer_VintageAudio_RL&hash=item3a627bd804

American Raytheon Tubes:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raytheon-...pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3f0d8f0917

ITT tubes:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GNP17A-NI...ecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item5639bd9832

Complete and ready to-use clock, same tubes as mine:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NIXIE-CLO...280727418249?pt=UK_Clocks&hash=item415ca87589

Awesome and massive European Phillips tube:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZM1040-NU...ecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item2c5d954303

There's LOADS of tube-specific information out there, so don't buy any tubes without researching those particular tubes first :)
 
Last edited:
I've been wanting to build one of these for ages, along with lots of other stuff :(

never get round to it.

I've3 seen someone use them for a psu display too, that looked cool.

decatrons are also awesome :D

Do it! you'll feel so chuffed when you've finished it. infact, even before you've finished it! :D

when i powered up the first tube (you install them one at a time for testing) i was so happy! :D

Decatrons are weird, they're not as useful as you'd imagine they are on first glance because you can usually only advance them by three units in a single pulse.


Whoah, nice! did you make it or buy it? either way that must have cost a bomb for those huge gorgeous 'Tubes! :D
 
Last edited:
Thats too clever, I would buy a kit but I suck at soldering lol
Get some practice in and give it a go :D
Biggest secret in soldering; mess it up? don't bother trying to flick it off with the iron, or suck it up with those crappy solder-suckers. desoldering braid is the boss! absolutely perfect.

.... and a fine one at that. :)
Why thankyou :)

The soldering dosen't look too taxing and I might have a go at one.
Gowaaan! :D
 
LOL that must have cost a fair whack :eek:


I've got an old psu here i'm going to make into a ncie bench one with fixed and variable outputs when i finally get round to this. :D

Although in all likely hood i'll find a way to make one of the caps explode in my ace in the process :p

I don't recall it being especially expensive...

I'd love to have a bench power supply though, but i did just get a really nice Autoranging Multimeter (Uni-T UT70B) :)
 
In the original Fallout there are softly glowing Valves in the side of the screen, and Nixies are a first cousin of the Valve :)
they're a very period-appropriate technology for Fallout anyway :D
 
Last edited:
no, they're a cold-cathode technology because there's no need for thermionic emission, so they stay stone-cold despite their lovely warm glow :)
 
I'd always wondered what these were - I assumed they were one off's for film props etc!

I'm very impressed! How difficult would you say it was to put everything together?

not particularly hard, like i said in the OP, it only took about nine and a half hours and i really took my time double and triple checking everything :)

By the way, I've done some research and both the ITT and Raytheon Tubes i linked to in my opening post both appear to be both attractive and also fairly rare. if you're seriously considering building a nixie clock I'd advise you to do some research and buy 'em if you like them.

if you don't get round to building the clock you can always sell them later :)
 
M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-MONSTER POST!

That is so cool, I want one now!
How long do the tubes last? As supplies are unreliable it may be worth stocking up...

edit: OK, wikipedia says upto 200,000 hours for the more modern tubes, that's almost 23 years of constant use so not as bad as I thought. A couple spares may be handy to have though.
My Tubes are rated for a 10,000 hour minimum lifespan as long as the drive voltage doesn't exceed 200V.

many people get more than 30 years out of a set of tubes, especially the mercury-enhanced ones, and even more so if the clocks have a slot-machine-routine like mine does.

Ever since my phone replaced my clock, calendar, camera, and also became a mobile internet device, I've never really needed any of those functions on another device.

Mobile phones ***!

It's not really the same though :p

Good point actually, I wonder if anyone has created a nixie clock theme for one of the many clock apps out there. I use Kaloer Clock on my AMOLED phone so all you see is the digits in the dark, one like this would look amazing!

As for the DIY, you could make it without abase, go Skeleton case look or mesh out some parts like those Gigabyte motherboards, looks ace.

There are Nixie-Clock apps... they're pretty poor though :(
It's very hard to accurately capture the true feel of the nixies with a Camera.
As for your Mesh casing suggestion? i LOVE it. almost definitely going to go for mesh now :D :)

Ace, I love a bit of soldering.

Now checking those links you posted.


Thanks a lot for the heads up, fun times ahead.

Good stuff. feel free to ask if you need any advice :)

Where did you get the kit from?

And why are the flexible version tubes so much more expensive than the not flex?

The Kit Came from http://www.pvelectronics.co.uk and was of outstanding quality. i wouldn't hesitate in using any of their products in the future.

Tubes with solid Pins can't be soldered directly, the pins conduct too much heat and crack the glass, ruining the tube. because of that, solid-pinned-tubes need to be used in conjunction with either their exceedingly rare original sockets, or you need to create the sockets yourself.
Thin-wire tubes are much more convenient because they can simply be soldered in place by hand without any form of fancy mounting. :)

Came as a kit, took me a couple of days to put together. The most soldering I have ever done in my life!

The tubes are IN-18's, and the whole kit cost around £400 I think, maybe more.

Phwoar, that's a beast matey. bet you're proud as hell of it though! :D it's a true beaut :)
icon14.gif


That looks nice, do the tubes get very hot? If not then I'd be tempted to go for some sort of wooden enclosure in order to pull off the retro look. :)

Nope, the Tubes stay completely cold. they're all room temerature on mine. infact, the only things on the whole board that get warm are the IRF640 and the 220uH inductor.

DO WANT!

How much we talking?

total materials price was £60 for mine, but Tubes are much more expensive now. including min. wage. for labour costs it would come to ~£128.20 :p :D

You can tell you were back from on the lash with soldering like that :D

Actually, I was completely sober, albeit a bit tired. i'm just a bit rusty and the solder areas are really really small! :)

Anywhere selling complete kits. But I guess it isn't too hard to get the kit and tubes seperatly.

Whats a good price for some fairly sized tubes?

I'd not wanna go anywhere near the £400 mark, it's very cool, but a £400 clock, I think not. Could it be done and still look good and not tiny for under £100?

Look in my post No. 3, the first link i posted is a complete set of six Russian IN-18 tubes (HUGE!) and the second is a kit that uses them. there are more sets of IN-18's out there on ebay too.

For under £100 you'd be looking at something quite a bit more bespoke. the IN-8's are reasonably sized tubes and can be had affordably, not quite as impressive as the IN-18s though.

If you want, you could take a chance and try out some other tubes, like the ITT or Raytheon Tubes i linked to, if you don't like/can't use them you can almost certainly sell them.

There are a fair few complete kits available, but most of them use the IN-14 nixies, which are completely fine, albeit a little small :)

Do they make a noise? I like to imagine that they start up with an electrical fizz :)

The ever-slightest electrical humming comes from the device due to the SMPS and the tone changes with digit changes. can't hear it from more than about 6 inches though :)

Anyone considering building a big Nixie Kit will appreciate this AWESOME find on ebay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/super-nix...pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item336a14a54e you're all welcome! :)
 
Last edited:
Cool toy!

Sounds like you could get more life by rotating the tubes once in awhile, if it isn't too much bother. Maybe once a week put the one from Slot 1 into Slot 2, 2 to 3, 6 to 1, etc. That zero on the far left is going to be lit up for 20 hours a day.
The tubes are soldered in place and they're a MASSIVE pain to solder, so swapping them round isn't practical unfortunately, as that's a good plan.

Currently, every 10 minutes the clock cycles all the tubes through all their digits for 10 seconds to prevent burn in which should be sufficient :)

interestingly enough, with Nixies, the digits that aren't used are the ones that degrade in static displays, as metal emissions deposit on the inactive digits, covering them up and stopping them from functioning.

That is very funky :cool:

Thanks! :)
 
Of course, you have to ask how much extra you're paying for a kit over buying parts separately. If somebody put together a basket on Rapid it would be just as easy to buy... main disadvantage being the lack of a printed PCB, so you'd either be making your own or using perfboard.
it wouldn't work out any cheaper actually. the kits are remarkably good value.
for one thing, the wiring for the clocks (even if you use multiplexing instead of direct drive) is unpleasantly complicated. doing it in perfboard (i call it Veroboard still) is possible but very challenging.

he also appears to sell kits!
Indeed, and i suspect that their quality is unparalleled. unfortunately, so is their price :p
 
Back
Top Bottom