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***Official Intel Haswell Thread***

the heatsinks on the Gigabyte GA-Z87Z-OC arnt finalised yet,its a very early version,chances are they will be black
 
I am fairly sure they will be black as the sample mid-range boards i have seen / used are black.

This board is looking great.

I am really liking the Z77 UP 7 so more of the same please.
 
The LGA1150 socket on the GIGABYTE Z87X-OC is wired to four DDR3 DIMM slots supporting up to 64 GB of dual-channel DDR3 memory, and three PCI-Express 3.0 x16 slots (x16/NC/NC ; x8/NC/x8 ; x8/x4/x4). The bottommost long PCIe slot appears to be electrical Gen 2.0 x4, wired to the PCH. A PCI-Express 2.0 x1, and two legacy PCI slots find room in the middle.

Connectivity includes six SATA 6 Gb/s internal ports, a total of nine USB 3.0 ports (six of which are driven by third-party controllers), HDMI and DisplayPort display outputs, 8-channel HD audio, PS/2 mouse/keyboard combo, and gigabit Ethernet. We expect the Z87X-OC to be part of the company's first wave of LGA1150 motherboards. Find more pictures at the source.
 
I like the fact its using 3rd party usb 3.0 chipset... hopefully avoids all the issues way more easier I guess and smarter ;)

Like the fact we get all sata updated/usb 3.0 ports and more pci express 3.0 ports...

And release date mid of this year so june/july should be a good time :)
 
HighlandeR said:
I like the fact its using 3rd party usb 3.0 chipset... hopefully avoids all the issues way more easier I guess and smarter ;)

Like the fact we get all sata updated/usb 3.0 ports and more pci express 3.0 ports...

And release date mid of this year so june/july should be a good time :)
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Indeed :)

Haswell is turning out to be a good investment for those of us still on C2Q :cool:
 
nightmare99 said:
Are the Intel USB 3.0 ports really worse then the NEC/Renases ones?
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oh no am sure there fine, its just there is a report suggesting haswell has a usb 3.0 bug, am just hoping its fixed or 3rd party chipsets on mobos use there usb 3.0 chipset to fix or get around the issue if there is one :)
 
WingZero30 said:
Indeed :)

Haswell is turning out to be a good investment for those of us still on C2Q :cool:
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Hear that so well.... had the upgrade bug for what 5 years now lol been stuck on this Q6600 with mechanical green hdds and Radeon 5850 era.... But haswell will be my total upgrade, with hopefully Samsung/Crucial M5 SSD to go with.

Its such a shame ATI/Nvidia are not releasing newer updated cards this year but ill wait on them next year I guess.
 
im looking at the upgrade to Haswell from a Quad 6700, 2006.
Although what's going on NUC (next of unit computing). I'm concerned that I'll be buying a dodo.
Are ATX motherboards on the way out?
 
shuffle said:
im looking at the upgrade to Haswell from a Quad 6700, 2006.
Although what's going on NUC (next of unit computing). I'm concerned that I'll be buying a dodo.
Are ATX motherboards on the way out?
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Yes, it is on its way out albeit, very slowly.

Right now, the NUC is positioned as a first computer for youngsters or, as a utility PC for the living room/spare room.

Intel are positioning the tech for cloud computing and to avoid making the Desktop PC irrelevant by offering a smaller client which is quiet and does not draw too much power/exhume heat. Haswell will accelerate this by providing a much more powerful Graphics chip inside the NUC.

It is possible to conceive that in the near future (<6 years) that for those users who do not need to process large amounts of information locally, the NUC will become the norm and the ATX will become the exception.

Gamers will be included in this as they will be streamed down, like films are today.

I think it is the best thing to happen to the PC for years but there are big performance and functionality differences between the NUC and the 'oldskool' ATX systems right now, streaming games and applications is in its first generation.

So, if you do to light office tasks, use the cloud or need a HTPC, the NUC is a good choice. If you game, are a content creator or need to crunch numbers the ATX still has many years of life left in it.

Haswell will not be that important on the Desktop as the clock-for-clock performance will not be a generational jump over Ivy Bridge howerver, for laptops and mobile all my purchases are on hold as the GPU performance will be doubled, with the battery life getting a nice bump and this is a big deal for things such as the Macbook Pro 13 Retina.

For those wondering where the extra power/cores will go, look no further than the new Sony/Microsoft consoles for inspiration. Starting with Crysis 3 there is a trend for using more than 4 cores. 4 will be the minimum with an additional 2 for the OS and 2 for AI/Physics = 8 Cores/16 threads. We can see where this is heading for us enthusiasts, more $$$ to get the best experience. 4 Cores will still provide a good experience by default but it will no longer provide the best, 8 Cores will be the benchmark, around 7-8 months from now.
 
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Besty said:
Yes, it is on its way out albeit, very slowly.

Right now, the NUC is positioned as a first computer for youngsters or, as a utility PC for the living room/spare room.

Intel are positioning the tech for cloud computing and to avoid making the Desktop PC irrelevant by offering a smaller client which is quiet and does not draw too much power/exhume heat. Haswell will accelerate this by providing a much more powerful Graphics chip inside the NUC.

It is possible to conceive that in the near future (<6 years) that for those users who do not need to process large amounts of information locally, the NUC will become the norm and the ATX will become the exception.

Gamers will be included in this as they will be streamed down, like films are today.

I think it is the best thing to happen to the PC for years but there are big performance and functionality differences between the NUC and the 'oldskool' ATX systems right now, streaming games and applications is in its first generation.

So, if you do to light office tasks, use the cloud or need a HTPC, the NUC is a good choice. If you game, are a content creator or need to crunch numbers the ATX still has many years of life left in it.

Haswell will not be that important on the Desktop as the clock-for-clock performance will not be a generational jump over Ivy Bridge howerver, for laptops and mobile all my purchases are on hold as the GPU performance will be doubled, with the battery life getting a nice bump and this is a big deal for things such as the Macbook Pro 13 Retina.

For those wondering where the extra power/cores will go, look no further than the new Sony/Microsoft consoles for inspiration. Starting with Crysis 3 there is a trend for using more than 4 cores. 4 will be the minimum with an additional 2 for the OS and 2 for AI/Physics = 8 Cores/16 threads. We can see where this is heading for us enthusiasts, more $$$ to get the best experience. 4 Cores will still provide a good experience by default but it will no longer provide the best, 8 Cores will be the benchmark, around 7-8 months from now.
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Thanks Besty, interesting. yes the new generation of consoles will be with us hopefully by the end of they year. hopefully giving pc enthusiasts something to look forward too, but I'm hoping that when haswell is launched in June the top end chip will as good as if not better than that off the new console processors.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Well the PS4 uses an 8 core CPU based on the AMD Jaguar mobile SOC.

A quad core Jaguar SOC is clock for clock around the same as a SB Core i3 ULV CPU,in Cinebench:

http://translate.google.com/transla...6597-amd-temash-specifikationer-och-prestanda

AFAIK,the clockspeed is rumoured to be around 2GHZ for the CPU in the PS4.

A Haswell Core i7 will be definitely faster!! :p
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Yes it will although, care needs to be taken not to confuse raw performance with multi-threading and multi-core.

The variations are too large to discuss here but keep in mind that regardless of raw throughput, if a game is multi-threaded and uses multiple x86 cores on a console, this approach will be re-applied, sometimes clumsily, onto the PC conversions. Just in the same way that we see some games now, only using 2 cores on a 6 core PC.

My point was that on the PC, you will increasingly see an experience gap between those with 4 Core PC's and those with 6 and 8 core PC's and the very first next generation game, Crysis 3, demonstrates this, expect to see many more. That is not to say Haswell will not provide an excellent solution for gaming, it just that finally, developers will be forced to multi-thread.

It is good news for gamers who can afford to go for the enthusiast chips but also good news for AMD as each and every major games title will be optimised and targeted for AMD chips *first* and intel *second*. This will filter through into the PC domain.

I have a feeling that those cheap 6/8 core chips from AMD in a 18 months time won't be as un-popular for gamers as they are today.

Exciting times if you like alternatives to Intel/Nvidia, an all AMD rig could be the gamers rig of choice....
 
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Besty said:
The variations are too large to discuss here but keep in mind that regardless of raw throughput, if a game is multi-threaded and uses multiple x86 cores on a console, this approach will be re-applied, sometimes clumsily, onto the PC conversions.
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This is one of the things that worries me, not only are console games optimized for the hardware but console to PC conversions are almost always very sloppy (I.E Halo requiring a PC with four times the Xbox's CPU/GPU power and ram). utilizing more cores is great but if its just 8x the slop its not going to be a marked improvement, especially if developers see more cores as an excuse for the game to run less efficient per core.
 
Besty said:
Yes it will although, care needs to be taken not to confuse raw performance with multi-threading and multi-core.

The variations are too large to discuss here but keep in mind that regardless of raw throughput, if a game is multi-threaded and uses multiple x86 cores on a console, this approach will be re-applied, sometimes clumsily, onto the PC conversions. Just in the same way that we see some games now, only using 2 cores on a 6 core PC.

My point was that on the PC, you will increasingly see an experience gap between those with 4 Core PC's and those with 6 and 8 core PC's and the very first next generation game, Crysis 3, demonstrates this, expect to see many more. That is not to say Haswell will not provide an excellent solution for gaming, it just that finally, developers will be forced to multi-thread.

It is good news for gamers who can afford to go for the enthusiast chips but also good news for AMD as each and every major games title will be optimised and targeted for AMD chips *first* and intel *second*. This will filter through into the PC domain.

I have a feeling that those cheap 6/8 core chips from AMD in a 18 months time won't be as un-popular for gamers as they are today.

Exciting times if you like alternatives to Intel/Nvidia, an all AMD rig could be the gamers rig of choice....
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this was my suspicion but i got shot down by someone saying its hard to make games multi threaded and games wont be using more than 4 cores for ages, but i gues they're going to have to or games on consoles will end up looking bad because they're are being heavily bottlenecked by the processor. for my next rig this time next year i suspect ill either get an 8 core ivybridge-e or an amd 8 core from whatever's after pile driver!
 
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