***Official Intel Haswell Thread***

[Yaayuh!]

Don't like the look of that Sabertooth or the Z77, all the plastic covering looks silly. I have the X79 though, looks better.

 

[Yaayuh!]

How would 4.5Ghz - 5Ghz: 4770K compare to 4.5Ghz: 3960X?

In what scenario?
The 4770K of that frequency would beat the 3960X in everything apart from applications that take advantage of the extra cores.
However, it may be a different situation with IvyBridge-E, we don't know yet.

 

[Yaayuh!]

General PC programs, video encoding, and gaming?

Yeah that's the thing, do I wait for Ivy - E and throw in an expensive upgrade to my 3960X or do I sell my current rig build a 4770K / Z87 combo and pocket the change?

Hmm

Depends what chip you go for surely? If you wait for Ivy-E you've only got to sell the 3960X and get an Ivy-E chip or throw in a hundred or two and get the higher Ivy-E chip.

If you're encoding and speed is important to you then the extra cores are a no-brainer, that's 4 more threads than Haswell, or 8 more if they do release an 8 core version (at a cost though ).

 

[Yaayuh!]

I'm pretty sure it's been stated multiple times that 0.9v isn't the correct voltage.

Indeed. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool.

 

[Yaayuh!]

Remember that one cpu could be hotter than another of the same under the exact same conditions.
Also, they appear to be using the stock heatsink in that "review", with probably the stock TIM too.

Take the results with a bucket of salt for now, wait for the real reviews.

 

[Yaayuh!]

Hopefully they will have a better TIM application this time round?

 

[Yaayuh!]

Is ivy-e supposed to have the integrated gpu? I can't think of more useless addition to a cpu made for x79.

No.

 

[Yaayuh!]

The whole BGA scaremongering was shot down by Intel themselves.
There are only plans for BGA/Soldered cpus on the bottom end of the market and for media setups. Mainstream and Enthusiast markets are still planned for LGA for the foreseeable future.

 

[Yaayuh!]

Ok then so how does a retail customer purchase a Strong CPU? Request a quote for an 8 Pack system, how does that work?

By pure luck in winning the silicon lottery.

I doubt resellers would cherry pick the CPUs as because the ones they test can't be sold on as new.

 

[Yaayuh!]

They could however be sold in bundles.
Higher the overclock, higher the premium.

Yeah, there is that i suppose.
There would still be a small stock of the golden overclockers though.

 

[Yaayuh!]

What are the prices?

Lol, nice try

 

[Yaayuh!]

So Intel are going to release Sata Express and DDR4 in a single generation?

And here I am planning to buy a Haswell i7?

DDR4 is more likely to happen for Skylake, not Broadwell. Broadwell seems a bit soon would also mean a Motherboard/LGA life of 1 generation, can't really see that happening. It's making it's desktop debut with Haswell-E, which won't be until at very least late 2014.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory...DDR4_Usage_with_Server_Platforms_in_2014.html

Intel's client chips in 2013 - 2014 timeframe - Haswell, Rockwell/Broadwell - will continue to rely on DDR3 memory since it is expected to provide enough bandwidth for mainstream applications with four cores and integrated graphics engine, especially with some tweaks like embedded DRAM, level four cache and so on.

http://hardwarebbq.com/news/apu-cpu-chipset/ddr4-support-arrive-haswell-e-2014/

It seems clear until now that Broadwell chipsets will be support the new ‘SATA 3.2′ SATA Express chip with codenames Z97 and H97, but its also being found out that Intel plans to have DDR4 memory specification on Haswell-E lineups. Haswell-E is designated to replace Ivy Bridge E, which had only one year of life. 14nm Skylake viz. scheduled for Q1 2015 release will be support DDR4.

Read more at http://hardwarebbq.com/news/apu-cpu-chipset/ddr4-support-arrive-haswell-e-2014/

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-Broadwell-Will-Be-Followed-by-Skylake-in-2015-347076.shtml

No mention of DDR4 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwell_(microarchitecture)

Mention of DDR4 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)

 

[Yaayuh!]

Very disappointed so far. Only dual channel RAm up to 1600MHz. So my expensive 32GB 2600MHz wont work thats crap.

plus it cant support a 3 way Crossfire setup so i cannot connect each of my monitors to a GPU.

Not sure if serious.

 

[Yaayuh!]

I am serious. Not sure if i am correct though.

Ah in that case.

Regardless of what the CPUs memory controller "supports", you can change the memory ratio to increase far past what's "supported" by intel. This has been the case for many years.
Though having said that, good luck finding an IMC that support 32Gb @ 2600MHz, that's asking a lot. Maybe 2400MHZ or 2133MHz with nice timings though.

I also see no reason why it can't support 2,3 or 4 way crossfire/SLi. There will be plenty of board coming out to give you a large range of configurations, just like there is now.

 

[Yaayuh!]

NDA is over, here's Anand's review:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7003/the-haswell-review-intel-core-i74770k-i54560k-tested

This is probably one of the best comparisons i've seen: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7003/the-haswell-review-intel-core-i74770k-i54560k-tested/6

 

[Yaayuh!]

OP Updated:

REVIEWS

AnandTech: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7003/the-haswell-review-intel-core-i74770k-i54560k-tested
TechPowerUp: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_4770K_Haswell_GPU/1.html
TweakTown: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/55...cpu-and-z87-express-chipset-review/index.html
Vortez: http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/intel_haswell_core_i5_4670k_core_i7_4770k_review,1.html
Guru3D: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_4770k_review,1.html
Bit-Tech: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/01/intel-core-i7-4770k-cpu-review/1
Hexus: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/56005-intel-core-i7-4770k-22nm-haswell/
PCPerspective: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proces...el-Core-i7-4770K-Performance-and-Architecture
Hardware Heaven: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...byte-g1sniper-5-motherboard-introduction.html
Kit Guru: http://www.kitguru.net/components/c...-z87x-oc-motherboard-review-w-intel-i7-4770k/
Hardware Canucks: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...1-intel-haswell-i7-4770k-i5-4670k-review.html

Overclocking

Turning our attention to our shiny new Core i7-4770K, we started by cranking up the multiplier to see how far we got without touching any other settings. We eventually hit a wall at 4.4GHz with the PC throwing a BSOD at us at 4.5GHz as soon as we entered Windows. However it seemed perfectly stable at 4.4GHz, which is very similar to what you'd expect from an Ivy Bridge CPU.

From here, though, the temperatures increased rapidly and we reached our limit of 4.7GHz using 1.257V and a scorching temperature of 98°C, and that's using a Corsair H100i, which we know to offer the best cooling short of a custom water-cooling kit. The jury is out on why this might be - the 22nm manufacturing process is clearly going to add a lot of heat density, as we saw with Ivy Bridge, but like Ivy Bridge, there's the issue of thermal paste vs solder too.

Despite most of the voltage regulation being moved on-package, motherboards still expose all of the same voltage controls that you’re used to from previous platforms. Haswell’s FIVR does increase the thermal footprint of the chip itself, which is why TDPs went up from 77W to 84W at the high-end for LGA-1150 SKUs. Combine higher temperatures under the heatspreader with a more mobile focused chip design, and overclocking is going to depend on yield and luck of the draw more than it has in the past.

Haswell doesn’t change the overclocking limits put in place with Sandy Bridge. All CPUs are frequency locked, however K-series parts ship fully unlocked. A new addition is the ability to adjust BCLK to one of three pre-defined straps (100/125/167MHz). The BCLK adjustment gives you a little more flexibility when overclocking, but you still need a K-SKU to take advantage of the options.

In terms of overclocking success on standard air cooling you should expect anywhere from 4.3GHz - 4.7GHz at somewhere in the 1.2 - 1.35V range. At the higher end of that spectrum you need to be sure to invest in a good cooler as you’re more likely to bump into thermal limits if you’re running on stable settings.

 

[Yaayuh!]

I think mine was a golden chip,I needed just 1.23v for 4.2ghz,temps were 79c

That's a damn good chip. Mine was only 3.96GHz @ 1.36v~ it was a bad C0

 

[Yaayuh!]

What's chances of an Ivybridge price drop?

Very little chance for a while.

 

[Yaayuh!]

The K versions have fully unlocked multipliers, so can be overclocked. The non K versions are multiplier locked outside Turbo (+4?).

So in reality. K version for better iGPU and ability to overclock.

 

[Yaayuh!]

I tell you what, Haswell seems to be a damn good option for HTPC and laptops. Not only that, but looking at Z87 (just had a look at the Asus Sabertooth), 6 x SATA 6Gb/s....That's awesome. No longer need to invest in RAID expansion card to get a decent RAID-5 setup comprising of 4+ drives. This i'm interested in.

Also, keep flicking between this thread and the "Review" thread and getting confused. Why are there two threads discussing the same thing now?