***Official Le Mans 24 Hours Thread***

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***2012 Le Mans 24 Hours Thread***

Well folks, it's just a few months to 24 heures du mans at Le Sarthe and I can't find a thread so we should have one :p

Last year's race was utterly amazing - a battle between the lead Audi and Peugeot right up to the end and I was glued to the coverage with Radio Le Mans cranked up. This year it won't be quite as exciting because Peugeot have pulled out, allegedly for financial reasons. But it appears that Pescarolo will be using Peugeot parts but not the whole car, because Peugeot have refused to let the cars be used. Call me cynical, but it's probably so they don't lose face if they go on to lose all their races...

What we do have this year is a hybrid car in the form of the Toyota TS030, which appears to be able to use the pit lane on its motors and the engine fires up as it leaves. It's packing a lot of energy recovery from braking and I'm looking forward to seeing what it'll do in the safety car scenarios. It'll also be interesting to see how far it can drive on the motors alone. It's quite common for cars to run out of fuel halfway round the track, and the circuit is a total of 8 miles long, so it'll be interesting to see if the car can make it back from say Arnage corner on its motors.

There are a LOT of 458 Ferarris running in the GT class this year. Years ago the GT class was dominated by Porsches and Ferraris. Corvette and Aston literally crushed the opposition and the reliability of the Ferraris really showed up as a flaw. They all but dropped out a couple of years ago and even the Italians were campaigning Corvettes. The Porsches also dwindled in numbers for a couple of years which is interesting, because they used to be bulletproof reliable and hence the amateur teams with the lower budgets used to favour them. Sadly, no BMW M3 or Ford GTs in the GT classes this year.

There is also the fabled Delta Wing team campaigning alternative technology. It's a streamliner that looks like it belongs on the salt but the team are convinced it'll run at Le Mans. I can't see how it'll stick to the track, personally, but bring on the alternative technology. Two years ago Porsche, Ferrari and a number of other supercar manufacturers were demonstrating their hybrid and alternative technology cars. It was pretty cool seeing prototype Ferraris loaded with electric motors and batteries up next to their screaming petrol motors, I can tell you!

Video: here's a bit of TS030 pit action. Sounds amazing. Listen for the engine to kick in up at the top end...


 
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As always can't wait for the race :D. Hopefully there's some good action at the front, however with no Peugeot and none of the other teams looking like they've been able to keep up with Audi in recent years, I somehow doubt this years race will be as good as last years :(. Hopefully Aston/Prodrive pull something good out of the bag, would be nice to see them up front :).

Oh and cheers for making the thread.
 
Cheers Jonny

Spoke to my dad the other day and he told me that he has read (I assume in Autosport, thats where he gets all his motor sport news) that Audi will be running 4 cars. 2 pure dagdag's, and 2 hybrids. Running 4 allows them to have a backup for both technologies to increase the chances of at least one of each of them finishing. Haven't seen any more information on the hybrid Audi though.

Eurosport should get an award for there 25 hours of solid coverage of Le Mans. Cant wait!
 
I think it is. The only snag to that report is I'm pretty sure the Le Mans regulations state that any energy recovery has to be electrical and no flywheel systems are allowed.

This is what's published on Wikipedia about it:

Wikipedia said:
From 2009 onwards the Le Mans regulations new from the ACO allow hybrid vehicles to be entered, with either KERS or TERS (Kinetic/Thermal Energy Recovery System) setups, however the only energy storage allowed will be electrical (i.e. batteries), seemingly ruling out any flywheel-based energy recovery systems. Cars equipped with KERS systems were allowed to race in 2009 with specific classification rules. From 2010 they will be able to compete for points and the championship.
 
Can't find any info to contradict that Wiki listing, so I would assume the Autosport article is incorrect and the R18 Hybrid uses batteries.

Edit: Whaaaaaa!

The publication of the entry list finally confirms Aston Martin Racing's switch to the GTE division after the end of the AMR-One prototype programme It will field two Vantage GT2s at Le Mans and in the WEC.

The AMR-One is dead after only 1 year!

Full 2012 Le Mans entry list: http://www.lemans.org/wpphpFichiers...du-mans/entry_list_24_heures_du_mans_2012.pdf
 
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By all accounts the chassis was pretty good but the package was let down by a pathetically unreliable engine which had to be detuned **massively** for reliability only to blow up anyway.

no signs of any mclarens this year? will be a shame if the porsche dull-fest is simply replaced by a 458 tiny-penis-dull-fest.
 
will be a shame if the porsche dull-fest is simply replaced by a 458 tiny-penis-dull-fest.
I know where you're coming from, but at Le Mans it's not like the high-buck GT races you see with all the rich boys and their toys. These are actual racing teams who pick their cars on a budget and who want to finish the race. The fact that the Italians were campaigning Corvettes says to me that they aren't proud and they're picking cars with their heads, not their hearts. I've yet to see Ferrari reliability in the GT classes at Le Mans though, so in my mind these 458s are either significantly cheaper, significantly faster or significantly more reliable than the Porsches :D
 
Trying to piece together what Pescarolo's entries are actually made up of. Pescarolo and Deltawing will be using AMR-1 chassis at some point. Looks like the chassis must be modular, because the picture in this link shows the Deltawing next to what appears to be just the driver cell:

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/aston-martin-amr-one-revived-by-pescarolo/

So the question is, what are Pescarolo ACTUALLY debuting? There’s also been talk about Peugeot parts, Judd engines and a car built by Morgan. The entry list looks like three different cars: 2 different Aston-based and one Dome, with Judd engines.

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/morgan-returns-to-le-mans-with-lmp/

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/dome-returns-to-le-mans-with-pescarolo/
 
I know where you're coming from, but at Le Mans it's not like the high-buck GT races you see with all the rich boys and their toys. These are actual racing teams who pick their cars on a budget and who want to finish the race. The fact that the Italians were campaigning Corvettes says to me that they aren't proud and they're picking cars with their heads, not their hearts. I've yet to see Ferrari reliability in the GT classes at Le Mans though, so in my mind these 458s are either significantly cheaper, significantly faster or significantly more reliable than the Porsches :D

I think they are just significantly newer. Aren't the Porsches an old design now, due to be replaced by something based on the new 991?
 
There are a LOT of 458 Ferarris running in the GT class this year. Years ago the GT class was dominated by Porsches and Ferraris. Corvette and Aston literally crushed the opposition and the reliability of the Ferraris really showed up as a flaw. They all but dropped out a couple of years ago and even the Italians were campaigning Corvettes. The Porsches also dwindled in numbers for a couple of years which is interesting, because they used to be bulletproof reliable and hence the amateur teams with the lower budgets used to favour them. Sadly, no BMW M3 or Ford GTs in the GT classes this year.

The Astons and Corvettes never competed directly with the Porsches and Ferraris though as they were in different classes.

Now it is just one main class but with sub divisions for Pro and Amateur drivers and age limits on the cars.
 
There were Ferraris in GT1 and they used to lead the class, but Corvette came in, walked all over them and highlighted their reliability issues, closely followed by Aston Martin. Likewise, there have been Corvettes and Astons in GT2, so they would have been competing directly.
 
There were Ferraris in GT1 and they used to lead the class, but Corvette came in, walked all over them and highlighted their reliability issues, closely followed by Aston Martin. Likewise, there have been Corvettes and Astons in GT2, so they would have been competing directly.

I'd completely forgotten the 550 and 575 GT1 cars.

Interestingly the 550M, which was dominant in the class was developed by Prodrive and effectively was the prototype for the Aston DBR9. It also was never a full factory effort. Ferrari did then develop their own 575 but that was never that successful.
 
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