*****Official Mafia II Thread*****

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i think we're going to have to agree to disagree as there is no way you convince me why when you bought a disc this entitles you to all the content on it, and there is no way i can convince you otherwise if that's what you believe. tbh though if you think you're right take them to court or something. i doubt you'd win because your views are incorrect.

plus again going back to rocket science, it's plainly obvious i said

you can't claim ignorance as an excuse

so why say i said something, then try and prove me wrong from what you just made up that i said?
 
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why should it be accessible to you if you bought the disc?

because they showed it as beeing part of the game?

its no difference to a movie trailer and sneak peaks showing awesome scenes and then you go and watch the movie and non of it was the actual movie
 
because they showed it as beeing part of the game?

its no difference to a movie trailer and sneak peaks showing awesome scenes and then you go and watch the movie and non of it was the actual movie

exactly it's no different. when you watch a movie and there is a scene in the trailer which wasn't in the final version shown, you can't do anything about it unless i'm mistaken, just as you can't legally have access to the files even though they have been shown.

did they show it as being part of the game or did they show it as a demo of a product that is still a work in progress?

i never knew content which was in the trailer/demo was removed which is a bit weird, but still there is no reason you should be able to access it as the sale was not for that content.

it's fiar to say a lot of people would [wrongly] assume content shown would have been in the final game, but it's also fair to say 2k games have no legal right to give the content to you. it's their choice what they sell. they may have taken it out to increase profits and be greedy buggers, or they may have taken it out as it was really buggy and would delay the release date further, or it may be because it was only ever developed to be sold as dlc, so they demoed both mafia 2, and mafia 2 dlc at the same time. whatever the reason, you have not been sold the content so cannot legally access it.

i'm shocked i'm debating this still. one simple question to solve it; when you bought mafia 2 did 2K games sell the extra content to you so that you could legally access it and play it?no! then it's not yours. you can question how morally right it is to do that but that is another subject
 
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Arr ive got a bug where I can't pay Bruno back, anyone else had this issue?

I've got 55k+ in the bank but it won't let me open the door to pay him after dropping Joe off at the doctors :( Hope there's a solution.
 
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Arr ive got a bug where I can't pay Bruno back, anyone else had this issue?

I've got 55k+ in the bank but it won't let me open the door to pay him after dropping Joe off at the doctors :( Hope there's a solution.

Yes. I take it you robbed shops to get the rest of the money? That triggers this bug. You'll have to restart the whole chapter again and steal cars instead.

Very lame I know.
 
personally DLC sucks it should be free! Unless it is a BIIIIG expansion :)

I agree with this, especially on the PC. I know MS MAKE devlopers or publishers charge for this stuff, and PSN charge like hosting for files or soemthing ridiculous I read, but Valve don't do either, I believe, at least no one has said they do. And they push updates and all sorts of stuff through the platform, so if they did it would likely have come out, so it is publishers being super greedy. Everything is about micro-[f-ing]-transactions, but heres the thing... Don't charge FULL PRICE, and then start tacking **** on. Same with in game ads, make it cheap, or FREE then add all the game ads/micro-transactions stuff you want, I don't care. But don;t do BOTH. I mean there is no second hand PC market outside of eBay these days, and that's only games that are stupidly old and don't tie to an account any more, I don't see how they justify this with any thing other than "Because we can, and want to".
 
I agree with this, especially on the PC. I know MS MAKE devlopers or publishers charge for this stuff, and PSN charge like hosting for files or soemthing ridiculous I read, but Valve don't do either, I believe, at least no one has said they do. And they push updates and all sorts of stuff through the platform, so if they did it would likely have come out, so it is publishers being super greedy. Everything is about micro-[f-ing]-transactions, but heres the thing... Don't charge FULL PRICE, and then start tacking **** on. Same with in game ads, make it cheap, or FREE then add all the game ads/micro-transactions stuff you want, I don't care. But don;t do BOTH. I mean there is no second hand PC market outside of eBay these days, and that's only games that are stupidly old and don't tie to an account any more, I don't see how they justify this with any thing other than "Because we can, and want to".

:rolleyes: how can it make sense for you to say something like this? You act like making a game costs the same amount no matter what game, so someone trying to earn money from different sources is just being greedy.

Don't charge full price? how much did 2k Games charge for Mafia 2? key word there is 2k games and not places like HMV who will have added there massive chunk to the price to make it get up to £25, £28 etc.

valve don't charge extra on top?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
:rolleyes: how can it make sense for you to say something like this? You act like making a game costs the same amount no matter what game, so someone trying to earn money from different sources is just being greedy.

Don't charge full price? how much did 2k Games charge for Mafia 2? key word there is 2k games and not places like HMV who will have added there massive chunk to the price to make it get up to £25, £28 etc.

valve don't charge extra on top?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

2K Games makes the same amount whether I buy it from Game, HMV whoever (Hell Sainsburys super cheap Loss-price to get you into the store day 1 and buy other stuff). They make the same, so I don't see what point you are making? The game is full price based on what they recommend, and therefore sell wholesale to the distributors for, they dictate the price, not HMV or ShopTo or GAME or whoever else, they just add their small profit margin on, and resell it.

I said don't charge full price if you are going to sell us a game in pieces. 1 Game should have 1 price. Split it into 17 bits I expect it to come to the same price really, within a certain percentage anyway. The content is on the disc (and in the download lets not forget, same content) still and you are buying a 100KB unlock key. Is that reasonable in any way? Would you buy a 2 tray printer to be told you couldn't use the second tray until you paid a fee of such and such for an engineer to come out and "Unlock" it?

Valve undoubtedly charge extra on top... If the developer/publisher CHARGE for the DLC. No-one is forcing them to charge for the content, they do it because they can, and it nets extra revenue. Loads of games on Steam have decided not to charge for DLC, but it's going to become less and less the "Norm", with loads of games adding in content to the service. The infrastructure of Steam makes Paid-DLC a viable option now, curses the convenience and popularity and overall infrastructure of the system. Kane and Lynch 2 just added DLC, MW2 with it's MASSIVELY overpriced map packs (£12 each? WTF?)

I'm not going to say I don't or haven't bought DLC, but it's not something I buy happily, or even at all unless it's in a sale really. XBLA I usually buy indie games and such, same with Steam when it's not high profile games, but selling stuff to a customer that you technically already sold to them on the disc is just plain ridiculous.

And let's not forget that most of the time they extend the gameplay for less than 2 hours, and cost a LOT for what they are.

So as to your original statement I guess I can say stuff like that because I can justify them, and many people have a similar opinion to mine?

TBF It's just a rant in general not specifically aimed at Mafia II. I hadn't followed this game really, so didn't know if it was open world or such, but people are saying this game seems deliberately cut back to profit, thats really the issue. But I do know that a simple mod unlocks many things (cars, suits, parts of missions) from the upcoming and PS3 only DLCs that are on the disc already, and to "Legally" own them you will need to pay more money... That's just not right!
 
how do you know 2k make the same amount of money when it's sold at hmv and when it's sold at game? i know if i was running a large business, and one customer could sell 10 million, the other could sell only 0.5million that the first would be getting a better wholesale price, and this is pretty much the norm with all wholesale afaik.

how do you know developers/publishers charge dlc only because they can and not because they have to to fund the development, advertising, distribution or the dlc?

to compare 2 games pricing structure is ridiculous as you don't know what has been put into it. those offering free dlc may only be putting a small amount of money into the dlc, those offering paid stuff may have a huge team working on the dlc so there has to be a sale price.

in the past dlc rarely if every existed, now developers see money in this dlc will be sold which is only good. some will be greedy and purposely restrict stuff so it can be sold as dlc, some wont. it's very hard to say who does it and who doesn't, and the ones that do do it, it's hard to say why.

the customer was never sold the content on the disc, i imagine the only reason it's there is to reduce the cost to 2k games so that they don't need the server power to needlessly send over the files. makes business sense and could even be reducing the price of the dlc. would you be more satisfied if they hadn't included the content on the disc, and then charged every extra to cover the additional server costs?
 
i quite like this game. i consider my system to be high-end, but i find it quite laggy to play with everything on high physix medium and no aa.

my rig is in my sig, anyone else having this problem?
 
i quite like this game. i consider my system to be high-end, but i find it quite laggy to play with everything on high physix medium and no aa.

my rig is in my sig, anyone else having this problem?

What graphics card? Also, I think it was mentioned there's a memory leak in this game, it would explain why a lot of people experience slowdowns after a prolonged periods playing.
 
in the past dlc rarely if every existed, now developers see money in this dlc will be sold which is only good.

yea dlc never existed? i was downloading DLC for quake and halflfe over 10 years ago.

all those maps , skins etc freely available in there hundreds back when developers released mod tools and didnt go out of their way to stop games beeing modded.

then came "why should we let people make content for our games for free when we could make it our selfs and charge money for it"

only people who are new to pc gaming see DLC as a good thing
 
how do you know 2k make the same amount of money when it's sold at hmv and when it's sold at game? i know if i was running a large business, and one customer could sell 10 million, the other could sell only 0.5million that the first would be getting a better wholesale price, and this is pretty much the norm with all wholesale afaik.

how do you know developers/publishers charge dlc only because they can and not because they have to to fund the development, advertising, distribution or the dlc?

to compare 2 games pricing structure is ridiculous as you don't know what has been put into it. those offering free dlc may only be putting a small amount of money into the dlc, those offering paid stuff may have a huge team working on the dlc so there has to be a sale price.

in the past dlc rarely if every existed, now developers see money in this dlc will be sold which is only good. some will be greedy and purposely restrict stuff so it can be sold as dlc, some wont. it's very hard to say who does it and who doesn't, and the ones that do do it, it's hard to say why.

the customer was never sold the content on the disc, i imagine the only reason it's there is to reduce the cost to 2k games so that they don't need the server power to needlessly send over the files. makes business sense and could even be reducing the price of the dlc. would you be more satisfied if they hadn't included the content on the disc, and then charged every extra to cover the additional server costs?

OK, true, I don't know what 2K The publisher makes. The developer who is really the important bit, makes the same, the publisher is the one that owns/contracts the manufacturing plants and distribution chains, and sells to wholesalers, true, but the developer will likely only see extra cash if they reach so many sales. Right? This we know to be true from many public backlashes from developers (IW, the Ninja Gaiden dev, a load of angry Jap devs getting crap pay etc etc). And some publishers hold back on those bonuses and dispute them, hence the aforementioned backlashes and public attention to these facts.

Yeah maybe they spent a lot of time developing the DLC, at the same time they were making the game? Dude, this DLC was announced before the game came out, and dated like 3 days ago to be available next week, a full 2weeks after Mafia 2 was released to buy. Granted, the game would have gone Gold in what? June, Maybe May? That's like 2-3 months to make an add-on that apparently lasts around 1/4th to 1/5th the size of the game it is "Expanding". I think these missions were supposed to be in the game they just made over the main character with Jimmy instead to sell it like GTAs TLAD or TBoGT, so it's like a new advaenture in the same city. Granted speculation, but releasing DLC of that apparent size after 2 weeks? Come on!

To sa DLC has not existed is a MASSIVE understatement. I mean the best and greatest examples of free DLC is the Team Fortress 2 updates and Left 4 Dead Updates. They get ridiculous amounts of free DLCs (L4D2 weekly, TF2 many times a year). Hell TF2 now dwarfs the size it once was with all the updates to it. But because they were free they fly without the DLC moniker, but that's what they are. Would you say neither team put any effort into those? Or advertising those? Or had a big team on it? They advertise the crap out of them with weird hilarious videos, and such, and demand a whole...

Zero pounds and zer-ity-zero pence!

And TBF the customer is sold the content on the disc, that's the point in the medium. I mean the Hot Coffee exploit shows this to a T. We are sold the content of the disc and it is sold and rated upon such content as is supplied, to be told we need to buy something we already technically own? That's not right. And Mafia II is a Steamworks game so 2K or whoever else don't need to host any files, it all goes to steam and they push DLC and updates through their network, so giving us DLC on a disc to reduce such need is really negligible, at least in this case. Granted they might pay steam some cash to host them, but it probably comes as part of the agreement with using the platform and its properties anyway (like an extra % on sales or so).

TBF I don't wish to argue with you, you do have a point. I am against DLC to some point, at least charging for it, it's just an extremely bitter jaggedly thorny pill when it comes so close to launch of the full game and apparently expands it by quite a bit, that SCREAMS of holding back and cashing in. If the DLC came out a few months down the line and was obviously developed well after the game was fully finished, then it's much easier to swallow, and the dev should be compensated with money if they so wish then, but to charge us for the same job twice? No!
 

fair enough if you don't want to argue and this is getting a little long winded now any way. i'll say just a couple of things though.

afaik the last major thing which happens to games is bug testing, bug testing and lots more bug testing. although a lot may think they've done a poor job at bug testing, i'm sure they had a big job on their hands.

whilst bug testing 2k games would had been left with many developers who now have nothing to do but to work on the dlc they had planned. perhaps 2k games put more money into the dlc then that did the bug testing. this would give a very good explanation as to why the dlc is coming so soon after mafia 2 was released and why there is plenty of bugs still in the game would it not?


They get ridiculous amounts of free DLCs (L4D2 weekly, TF2 many times a year). Hell TF2 now dwarfs the size it once was with all the updates to it.

but you don't know what is going on behind their closed doors. if tf2 is selling really well and is continuing to sell really well because of the dlc, then it'll continue to be free as new customers are buying tf2 which pays for the dlc. they must be making money from the dlc else they wouldn't be doing it. google offer free services, but only because in some way or another they make money, but that doesn't mean it works for everyone so not all businesses should give everything away for free.


Granted they might pay steam some cash to host them, but it probably comes as part of the agreement with using the platform and its properties anyway (like an extra % on sales or so)

but in what world would it make sense to lose even 1% of the sale price when there is a sensible way to keep it?
 
mammalian i sugest you learn about the industry and how publishing and distribution works before you embarrass yourself further.
 
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