*** Official Rant/Praise about Vettel versus other drivers thread ***

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Seeing as I've noticed too many posts in other threads that go into analysing Sebastian Vettel, maybe we can just resort to praising or ranting about the soon to be 2011 F1 Champion in this thread.

I'll start:

Would be great to see DiResta in RBR team along side Vettel. DiResta had the better of his former team mate Vettel in formula three. However DiResta seems to be a tied into Merc Engine teams, so can' see it happening. Did they both get on as team mates in Formula 3 i wonder?

For me Vettel has been in the right place at the right time for a lot of his career. He is good for sure but he's not a true RACE driver (not yet) and perhaps never be in the same class as senna/mansell/prost/alonso. Its like we have version 2 of Schumacher, god help us if this is the start of the dark days of F1 - aka the schumacher years - boring 1 sided races, a german in dominant car with a weaker team mate :(
 
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Vettel is a lot more personable and likeable than Schumacher and most other current drivers. too. He doesn't take himself too seriously and is a major talent. It's easy to critisice him for having the best car but what can he do, drive it slowly to give others a sporting chance? Fastest car is almost always the case with WDC in F1 (Button '09 anyone).
 
vettels over hyped imo i never rated webber as anything but a good driver so i find it hard to see vettel as something special, maybe if he has to work for a few wins i might change my mind but in the red bull hes had it to easy and i cant determine how much is really him and how much is the car
 
well todays race pretty much reinforces how i feel about vettel "good driver" not in the same league as alonso for sure
 
If he wasn't winning everything in sight I'd probably quite like him. He's funny in interviews and generally a down to earth likeable guy.

However despite winning 2 WDCs he's still not proved he can race when other people have the same pace as him. He cracks under pressure and unless he's 1st to the first corner he doesn't seem to have the conviction to fight his way forward.
 
I thought Horner's justification for using team orders today was interesting, basically saying that if he'd allowed Vettel and Webber to fight to the flag then it would have certainly ended in a crash. Either he's not confident in Vettel's ability to race wheel-to-wheel with other drivers, or it was the weakest defence of team orders since Ferrari and Austria '02!
 
I'd like a breakdown of all his passes this year. Specifically, how many times has he passed someone on equal strategy, on equally used tires.

Always seems to pass with fresh rubber & DRS. Not knocking him, but it doesn't do anything to cement his "can't pass on track" image.

I'm too lazy to do the research :p
 
It was great to see him behind some other cars for a change, after the pit stop issue, however he couldn't overtake with a much quicker car.

Great defending on track by Hamilton today.
 
So because he doesn't have to bash his way past people like certain other drivers that doesn't make him a good driver? The pit stop inevitably cost him today when he was nicely leading but given Alonso's pace I'm not sure he would've won anyway, admittedly. Not much he could've done about that. If he sticks it on pole and nobody else can catch him, what's he meant to do, let 3 people past just for a challenge? :p
 
Can't fault his pace and he is certainly making the most of what is available to him, this year even more than last, the new regs really seem to suit him.

I find it difficult to work out if i like him or not from what we see, the fact he is so dominant makes it difficult as it is taking a lot of the fun away from F1.

He does come across as a pretty decent guy, but part of me feels like it's a bit false... perhaps it;s just the shock of a German with a sense of humour :p
 
el_dazza said:
So because he doesn't have to bash his way past people like certain other drivers that doesn't make him a good driver? The pit stop inevitably cost him today when he was nicely leading but given Alonso's pace I'm not sure he would've won anyway, admittedly. Not much he could've done about that. If he sticks it on pole and nobody else can catch him, what's he meant to do, let 3 people past just for a challenge? :p
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No-one is saying he isn't a good (great) driver, just not had much chance to see him actually overtaking :) Because he's always done a good job on Saturday.
 
Duke said:
No-one is saying he isn't a good (great) driver, just not had much chance to see him actually overtaking :) Because he's always done a good job on Saturday.
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The problem being is if he gets *too* used to cruising out in front, when it comes to the crunch and he finds himself battling for 4th/3rd/2nd I wonder if he's got the goods to actually get himself up there. He certainly proved he's got raw speed (Monza '08 was the prime example of that) no matter what car he's in so nobody can fault him there, after all F1 is ultimately about being the quickest :)
 
Vettel is fast, great at qualifying, great in the rain, great at judging speed at the front of the field, great with the press, great with the fans.

I would like to say he is also a great racer, but at the moment he hasn't had an opportunity to show this. Once he has and he has shown his talent, I will add great racer to the list.
 
Last year his racecraft was suspect (Istanbul, Spa etc), this year he hasn't had much oppertunity to show if it's improved but remember he is still young, hasnt reached his prime and could be racing for another 15 to 20 years potentially.
 
After the topgear tonight he was quickest on the track.

Love or hate him, with the same car as the other f1 drivers who visited top gear he was fastest. Yes only by 0.1 seconds, but that is the difference between a world class driver and a champion.
 
I like him as a personality but I think he's to a large extent been manufactured as a champion via an unbeatable car and team favouritism, until he's challenged by Alonso/Hamilton in an equal car and he beats them to the title I can't see my opinion changing.

Jenson Button could be in his place right now if Brawn GP had managed to stay the dominant car for multiple seasons like Red Bull have done.

mglover070588 said:
After the topgear tonight he was quickest on the track.

Love or hate him, with the same car as the other f1 drivers who visited top gear he was fastest. Yes only by 0.1 seconds, but that is the difference between a world class driver and a champion.
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Do you really believe Red Bull would allow him to go on Top Gear without pre-conditions? "yep you can have him for the morning we don't mind at all if he doesn't beat Rubens and is thoroughly embarrassed" :p
 
I wouldn't give him grief about team orders today, Hamilton made him stop early(well obviously not "made" but was holding him up badly.

Alonso did seem outstandingly fast after Vettel made his pitstop, was vettel already in saving tyres mode because he had a long way to go, not quite sure why Alonso was "that" fast. To be honest Vettel came out from behind Hamilton with a gap he couldn't close but he still had to push to stay ahead of those behind him.

Anyway, Webber had better tyres towards the end and I'm still not sure, I still think he gave Hamilton a love tap on the old start finish straight, probably broke their flexible wing :p

Vettel is good, its a shame, we really don't seem to ever have the old school style when the two top teams were REALLY close as opposed to really close in 2-3 races in a season in very specific circumstances.
 
mglover070588 said:
After the topgear tonight he was quickest on the track.

Love or hate him, with the same car as the other f1 drivers who visited top gear he was fastest. Yes only by 0.1 seconds, but that is the difference between a world class driver and a champion.
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You can't really use that to measure anything :p.

Different day, different weather, probably different car weight etc.
 
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