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Come back from uni and decided to sort all my families computers out and all was fine until I get to my brothers...

70% Fragmented.

Started defrag at 6:30 and its still at 1%. Might be finished for breakfast tomorrow!

Just as a random interest, whats the longest you've defragged a drived for?

Chris
 
Clear out the Temporary Internet files folder. It tends to have a trillion and one little files in it, and over time if left can massively contribute to filesystem fragmentation I tend to find. Delete it using the command prompt (RMDIR /S command.)

Edit: I meant to suggest, do the above before defragging, then it should go quicker too (because it wont have to defrag trash...)
 
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at that rate of progress id check to see if the drive is running at full speed some times windows has a habbit of lowering the ata speed if it gets more than a few errors.

might also be worth trying moving all the non essential files to another drive, less to defagment and when copied back should be non fragmented
 
CSGAS said:
Come back from uni and decided to sort all my families computers out and all was fine until I get to my brothers...

70% Fragmented.

Started defrag at 6:30 and its still at 1%. Might be finished for breakfast tomorrow!

Just as a random interest, whats the longest you've defragged a drived for?

Chris


This is why people who know what their doing use partitions!! All your doing by de-fragging an entire HD is wearing it out!! You SHOULD only be defragging your OS files and Programs/Games, defragging media/other files is just silly and will help bring your HD to an early death.
 
Android said:
This is why people who know what their doing use partitions!! All your doing by de-fragging an entire HD is wearing it out!! You SHOULD only be defragging your OS files and Programs/Games, defragging media/other files is just silly and will help bring your HD to an early death.


really? i use partitions myself but still regularly defrag all partitions across 3 drives and none of which are that young, 2 x 40gb maxtors and a 120gb wd, never had any issues. hard drives are designed to be written to over and over defraging is just another write cycle imo
 
Android said:
This is why people who know what their doing use partitions!! All your doing by de-fragging an entire HD is wearing it out!! You SHOULD only be defragging your OS files and Programs/Games, defragging media/other files is just silly and will help bring your HD to an early death.

What rot.
 
Sry to hear, i expect it to take over 20 hrs tbh and wont be defragged after i think entireley....

One of my hdds was so fragmented once, it was all red, i moved almost all data off it ( leaving just 30% filled ) and still whole hdd was red, @ 80% free space finally white spots appeared and it started to defrag, but 4 diskkeeper runs didnt defrag it at all, still all red...
Diskkeeper managed to get blue back once i''ve moved about 80% of my data elsewhere...

Heres a pic of my hdd back then before defragging:



Here with 64% free space yet still all red lol so fragmented my hdd was ( fragments spread very far from eachother) ...


All i can say is try to move some stuff off the hdd ( try to move everytihng temporarly exept apps etc... ) and then defrag...
Also if you have fat32, convert to ntfs, defrags a lot faster...
 
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Android said:
lol


So using something that has moving parts lots and lots will not wear it out or use up its MTBF!! :rolleyes:

Defragmenting a drive is so negligable in the amount of "wearing out" a hard drive it's not even worth considering. It's like driving 250,000 miles in a car and worrying that driving to the shops once in it's life makes such a difference.

I still have 500MB hard drives going with 0 bad sectors and totally reliable. Still if you think deframgenting a drive shortens it's life significantly, go right ahead. I'll just laugh at you.

Drives are switched on for 24 hours a day for years and years, accessing, writing, reading....still they last years (server use)
 
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Father Ted said:
Surely the whole point of defragging a drive is to decrease the read and seek times? This in itself would mean less wear and tear on a drive.

Well, yes, indirectly. Defragging decreases the number of times seeks need to be done on average, by having data in continguous blocks instead of, er, in fragments spread all over the disk, and if files has to remain in a few fragments, they're usually closer together, thus reducing the distance the head has to seek, thereby producing the effects you list also. :)
 
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squiffy said:
I still have 500MB hard drives going with 0 bad sectors and totally reliable. Still if you think deframgenting a drive shortens it's life significantly, go right ahead. I'll just laugh at you.

Drives are switched on for 24 hours a day for years and years, accessing, writing, reading....still they last years (server use)

LOL

Your ignorance with regards to how HD's work is what’s funny my friend!!
Defragging a HD works it 100% and is pretty stressful as it's constantly reading/writing as it moves data from sector to sector.

But hey if you think 'pointlessly' defragging 100Gb's every week or 2 aint gonna have a significant effect on MTBF then 'I'll just laugh at you''
 
I've used computers since the time of 5.25" full height hard drives, and era of 8.25" floppies so I know perfectly well how they work.

The occasional once every 2 months defragment is still nothing compared to the grand scheme of things.

I used to defragment that 500MB twice a month, and it still works. And even if it fails now, big deal. Will you be using a 300GB in 10 years time? I doubt it.

oh and would you suggest leaving this drive unfragmented, if performance is a concern? Some of the files have thouands of fragments, some into tens of thouands. I'm not too fussed in performance, as it's just data storage. There's not enough free space to defragment either. But if it was 40% full with 95% fragmentation on the game install drive, I would defragment it.

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Android said:
LOL
But hey if you think 'pointlessly' defragging 100Gb's every week or 2 aint gonna have a significant effect on MTBF then 'I'll just laugh at you''

If I can make an observation - you seem to be implying that all defragging is useless/bad, but really this is not such a white/black question IMO - you're over simplifying the situation if you argue like that. (If that's not what you're arguing then I apologise in advance for misreading you.)

To elaborate: If the defrag program you use does indeed pointlessly move hundreds of gigs of data around on every defrag (even if it's already defragged) and if you ran this very frequently, then I'd agree that this would be putting an unneccesary strain on the moving mechanical parts of the drive.

However, arguing like that is somewhat of a strawman argument, as no proper self-respecting defrag program today works like this. A Good defragger will typically focus its attention on the areas/files that are fragmented and leave alone the parts that are already fine, obviously with such an approach the drive will only really work hard while the drive is badly fragmented in the initial defragmentation. Later runs will be less work and will keep the drive tidy, meaning that the drive will thus work less hard during actual use than it would've had it not been defragged at all.

Therefore, on balance, particularly in a setting where the use the drive is put to tends to cause fragmentation (working with very large filesystems with lots of little files that get rewritten often for example or lots of software is installed and uninstalled), the drive will work less hard during it's life if it's kept in a fairly defragmented state, than if it's not defragged at all, all IMHO of course. So the answer IMO really is: "whether defragging is harmful to a disk, depends with what you defrag and how often, and to what use the drive is normally put." :)
 
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