Oh ffs, static IP...what the hell

Right ok, (ps thanks for your help tolien, dont wanna sound un grateful it just aint working yet :() So i now have my static ip setup on my wireless con and have it bridged with my ethernet con, still wont lemme browse my files tho (did not too long ago)
 
So what IP address has you MCE machine got now then? You could try assigning that a static IP address and then see if it can browse the machine it's directly connected to :)
 
nah i tried thant dint work, sorted it tho now, what i had to do is have ONLY my active wirless con bridged with the ethernet, previously i had BOTH wless cons bridged, this is some wierd crap
 
oh man this is so annoying, AGAIN i have no network connection, can some kind sould PLEASE take me step by step through connecting a PC to a wirelessly connected PC please? Pretty please.
 
  • You need to bridge the USB Wireless Connection and the Ethernet Connection on your PC.
  • This Ethernet connection doesn't actually need an IP Address as it is part of a bridge.
  • Restart the MCE machine - it should now pick up it's IP Address from the DHCP Server in the router.
Optionally: you could set the MCE machine up with a static address like your main PC. Use the same gateway and DNS settings, and give it an IP Address of it's own.

Best way to test things are working is from the command prompt cmd
Use ping 192.168.11.1 or ping www.bbc.co.uk
Use tracert 192.168.11.1 or tracert www.bbc.co.uk

As to Microsoft File Sharing - when you are swapping IP Addresses around then Microsoft's shoddy networking can have problems. Try directly addressing the machine using it's IP Address from the Run prompt as \\192.168.11.19 OR \\192.168.11.19\SharedDocs (Obviously adjust IP Address and folder names to fit). Using the IP Address this way bypasses the whole lookup process of windoze networking which can be pretty slow in updating in a small network)


Good luck :)
 
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MAllen said:
  • You need to bridge the USB Wireless Connection and the Ethernet Connection on your PC.
  • This Ethernet connection doesn't actually need an IP Address as it is part of a bridge.
  • Restart the MCE machine - it should now pick up it's IP Address from the DHCP Server in the router.
Optionally: you could set the MCE machine up with a static address like your main PC. Use the same gateway and DNS settings, and give it an IP Address of it's own.

Best way to test things are working is from the command prompt cmd
Use ping 192.168.1.1 or ping www.bbc.co.uk
Use tracert 192.168.1.1 or tracert www.bbc.co.uk

As to Microsoft File Sharing - when you are swapping IP Addresses around then Microsoft's shoddy networking can have problems. Try directly addressing the machine using it's IP Address from the Run prompt as \\192.168.1.19 OR \\192.168.1.19\SharedDocs (Obviously adjust IP Address and folder names to fit). Using the IP Address this way bypasses the whole lookup process of windoze networking which can be pretty slow in updating in a small network)


Good luck :)
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Problem i have when i do that is i get an IP conflict error msgand thus no connectivity

EDIT: in fact i cant really get the MCE and net PC talking at all its almost like they dont see each other
 
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Ultra_Extreme said:
Problem i have when i do that is i get an IP conflict error msgand thus no connectivity

EDIT: in fact i cant really get the MCE and net PC talking at all its almost like they dont see each other
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I guess you have used the same IP Address on both the MCE and the PC. So make the PC 192.168.11.19 and the MCE 192.168.11.20

(Each machine on your network will need it's own unique IP Address. With your network layout all addresses start 192.168.11.xxx with the xxx part being replaced by a unique number between 1 and 254. Your router is on 192.168.11.1 and you previously mentioned your PC was on 192.168.11.19 (or your DHCP server assigned it 192.168.11.4). Just check each PC with ipconfig /all ) :cool:
 
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IPconfig gives me

Code: 
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Aaron>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

        Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : AZNETPC
        Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
        Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed
        IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
        WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Network Bridge (Network Bridge) 10:

        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
        Description . . . . . . . . . . . : MAC Bridge Miniport
        Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-50-8D-E7-7E-93
        Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
        Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.11.4
        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.11.1
        DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.11.1
        DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.11.1
        Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 13 July 2006 09:32:20
        Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 15 July 2006 09:32:20

Ethernet adapter Bluetooth Network Connection:

        Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
        Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Bluetooth Device (Personal Area Netw
ork)
        Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0A-3A-6C-55-A1

C:\Documents and Settings\Aaron>
 
surely my dhcp should assign a non conflicting ip to the MCE? What confuses me here is that i cannot see where the MCE exists in the network i mean the route to it is horrendous! (Router-[cat5]-router as AP-[wireless]-PC-[cat5 xover]-MCE) :confused:
 
It would help if you could reply in complete sentances. :) I don't know which setup is which....


As to DHCP and clashing addresses. You are kind of correct, DHCP will not issue a clashing address. But when you are also using static address, then it _can_ issue out that same number if you have not correctly adjusted your DHCP pool to avoid conflict.


Put this another way.....

I would expect your IP Addresses to be as follows:

Router: 192.168.11.1
MainPC: 192.168.11.2
MCEPC: 192.168.11.3

All with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
The two PCs with a gateway of 192.168.11.1
The two PCs with DNS settings of 192.168.11.1 and 205.188.146.145

Note how all three machines have the same set of numbers at the start of the addresses? This is the "network" part of your address.

Also note how the last number is different for each PC? This is the machine part of the address.

If you are using DHCP, then you will find that you have a choice in the router to set the size of the DHCP pool. This is the list of addresses that the router hands out. You need to make sure that this pool does not overlap with any of the static addresses you are setting up.

So if you are setting up static addresses of "192.168.11.19" and "192.168.11.20", then you need to make sure the DHCP pool does not include these addresses. For example, set the pool to 192.168.11.100 to 192.168.11.150 as this allows for 50 PCs to be added to your network, but all staying away from the addresses of your current PCs.

In fact, it is much easier to EITHER use DHCP on everything, or to use Statics on everything. Mixing it causes the confusion you are getting. :D
 
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Eh? I just noticed your last post mentions TWO routers? (Somehow I missed that point from your previous postings) What is the IP Address of that second router? It should also fit the above pattern as 192.168.11.x (for example: 192.168.11.10)

Make sure that the DHCP server in that WiFi router is disabled. You only want the one DHCP router on your network.

You should also have only one Ethernet cable attached to this router if it is being used as an access point. It should be connected to your router using the LAN side of both. There will be nothing in the WAN side of your second router.

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Get a sheet of paper and map this all out properlly.
Note down which machines you have got set to DHCP and which are static.
Note down the IP Addresses of each machine.
Disable any unused Bluetooth, Ethernet or WiFi connections on the PCs (right click the icon and select Disable). This will simplifiy the options for you.

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BTW - why are you not using the WiFi router to connect to the internet? You are seeing already the complexity you are adding into your network for no sane reason. :confused: :)
 
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I'd suggest you get a wireless adapter for the mce box rather than use a software bridge. just my $0.02 :).
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You are dead right... but this guy wants to have the most complex mess possible. Look at them two routers? :p :D

There is a balence between saving cash, and getting too complicated. This is an example of tipping the scales far too far over the the complex end of things.... :D :cool:
 
Also, when you build your paper map of your network. ONLY use ping to test if you can contact each of the PCs. Forget Windoze networking while troubleshooting.

Sit on each PC in turn and trying ping all of your other addresses. Note where you get success, and where you get nothing.

At least ping the router on 192.168.11.1 and an external address like 212.58.224.113 which is www.bbc.co.uk.

If you finally do a ping www.bbc.co.uk it will tell you which machines have a working DNS settings.
 
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I think a network diagram showing how the PCs and routers are connected with IP addresses for everything would help greatly.
 
I think he has....

192.168.11.1 - Router and DHCP Server connected to Internet.

192.168.11.10 - Router acting as WiFi AP

192.168.11.19 - Main PC connected via Wireless

192.168.11.4 - MCE PC Ethernet card connected via a bridge on the Main PC

So I don't see where the clashing device is. :confused:

UNLESS he is being hacked by a neighbour who is sharing his WiFi access point. Checking on the main router to see what has been allocated by DHCP may show a rouge machine from next door? :(

OR is one of the many unsed network connections on the two machines setup with a static IP address?

I suppose a quick fix would be to just pick another IP address when the machine complains about a clash....

Your suggestion of a new WiFi card for his MCE PC is the sensible one here. It removes the complex bridge he doesn't understand; it removes the extra load on the MainPC's WiFi connection; it also means the MainPC doesn't need to be turned on for the MCE PC to have network access; and DHCP can then be used throughout. :)
 
Reason for two routers is range extention (all beit on the cheap) why buy an extra wless AP when i can hook my older router up in another location CAT5'd to the main router/gateway?

The DHCP IS disabled on the AP.

I CANNOT hook up the MCE wirelessly as i would have a file transfer speed of approximately 0 b/s no good when sending large movie and sound files.

ill draw you all a simple paing diagram of the local net so you can see it

siteoverviewko9.jpg


Apologies for poor art and scale but its a BIG site
 
Ahhh.... some clarity is starting to appear. :) Your two routers make sense.

Now we have a physical location diagram, you need to go to each PC and note down for us their IP Addresses. Include the two routers and the Buffalo Bridge as these will all have IP Addresses. What are the addresses? Have all the gateways been set correctly? Which ones are using DHCP and which ones are fixed? Also - have you checked that DHCP pool range?

I assume you have left your WiFi open for your customers to use. So I guess your problem could be from the size of the DHCP pool. Go an look at the main router, and see how it is setup. Check that DHCP pool to make sure that any static IP Addresses you have setup are outside the range.

For example, set your DHCP pool to be from 2 to 200 (i.e. 192.168.11.2 to 192.168.11.200). Then setup your WiFi Buffalo Bridge on 192.168.11.250, the Netger WiFi AP on 192.168.11.251, your MainPC then gets 192.168.11.252 and your MCE PC is on 192.168.11.253. So the four fixed devices are kept permantly on their own IP Addresses avoiding the DHCP allocated addresses. And the customers get DHCP addresses when they fire up their laptops.

If may be enough to just stick your MCE and MainPC on fixed addresses outside of the pool.
 
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