Old 9 pin joysticks for 8-bit computers are surprisingly expensive

That Wikipedia entry does clearly show one problem i always had with those joysticks: diagonals.
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Eight directions from four switches never really worked for me and made me wonder what joystick those platform game designers used.
After 30 years I would expect the plastic on the stick to wear out too. Making diagonals even harder...

Most digital joysticks (home and arcade) used 4 switches - 'blister' in the case of Atari sticks, leaf (Quickshot), or microswitches (Kempston). There were even joysticks which used mercury tilt switches.

What makes the difference is the restrictor, which governs how far the joystick can be moved an a given direction. There are various restrictor types. Some arcade games use 4 way which is diamond or cross shaped which prevents the stick going diagonally. This is ideal for maze games like Pac Man or platformers where diagonals aren't used. (In fact Pac Man arcade is almost unplayable without a 4-way restrictor).

Most games use an 8-way restrictor but there are various types, from circular (used in arcade games like Gyruss and Time Pilot where the controller needs to be able to move smoothly from one direction to the next), Octagonal (Good for fighting games where you need to hit diagonals), and square, where it's easier to hit diagonals than non diagonals.

My arcade cab has a rotating restrictor, where you can rotate a square restrictor to make it 4-way or 8-way depending on the game, and my Kraft joystick also has switchable 4/8 way. This noticably makes the sticks 'corner happy', but you get used to it.

That's why home joysticks varied so much on if you could hit diagonals or not - the restrictor designs were different, and combined with the design of the switches that made a lot of difference in feel and if the sticks were 'corner happy' or not.
 
Most digital joysticks (home and arcade) used 4 switches - 'blister' in the case of Atari sticks, leaf (Quickshot), or microswitches (Kempston). There were even joysticks which used mercury tilt switches.

What makes the difference is the restrictor, which governs how far the joystick can be moved an a given direction. There are various restrictor types. Some arcade games use 4 way which is diamond or cross shaped which prevents the stick going diagonally. This is ideal for maze games like Pac Man or platformers where diagonals aren't used. (In fact Pac Man arcade is almost unplayable without a 4-way restrictor).

Most games use an 8-way restrictor but there are various types, from circular (used in arcade games like Gyruss and Time Pilot where the controller needs to be able to move smoothly from one direction to the next), Octagonal (Good for fighting games where you need to hit diagonals), and square, where it's easier to hit diagonals than non diagonals.

My arcade cab has a rotating restrictor, where you can rotate a square restrictor to make it 4-way or 8-way depending on the game, and my Kraft joystick also has switchable 4/8 way. This noticably makes the sticks 'corner happy', but you get used to it.

That's why home joysticks varied so much on if you could hit diagonals or not - the restrictor designs were different, and combined with the design of the switches that made a lot of difference in feel and if the sticks were 'corner happy' or not.
+ great explanation.
But with me and platform games... Well I always liked to blame the tool rather than my timing!
 
This thread made me look at my box in the garage.


Reminded me of Triffids for some reason...

I had a QS Python back in the day for X-Wing/Tie Fighter and the Wing Commander games. I was really careful with it but it still broke (spring). My BBC and Amiga Competition Pros are still going strong to this day however.
 
I've still got my original PowerPlay Cruiser joysticks - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerplay_Cruiser

I've owned them for about 30 years and only had to replace one microswitch. Someone will have to pry them from my cold, dead hands.

Yeah these were good. Not quite as tight a feel as the Competition Pro if I remember correctly but still nice crisp microswitches..
 
All of these retro things are expensive now, and not necessarily worth the money either bearing in mind a lot of old gear is becoming unreliable. I was looking for a 3 button mouse for my Acorn A3010, and whilst the prices on ebay aren't unaffordable to me, they're still overpriced for what they are. I've just been stealing my Acorn A3020's mouse to use on the A3010, but figured I really need a mouse for each computer. The once thing I can't replace though is my collection of Amiga A1200 disks. After 27 years, and out of over 100 disks, I think only 1 reads. It's not the disk drive either, it's just the disks have deteriorated over the years, probably due to poor storage in the loft and garage.
 
Had a Cruiser on my C64, among other sticks. The Cruiser was the only one that lasted, though.

The plastic neck of the stick started to break at the base, after too much Daley Thompson Decathlon principally, but my dad took it into work and ran a metal collar off on the CNC lathe he operated, which fixed it right up.
 
All of these retro things are expensive now, and not necessarily worth the money either bearing in mind a lot of old gear is becoming unreliable. I was looking for a 3 button mouse for my Acorn A3010, and whilst the prices on ebay aren't unaffordable to me, they're still overpriced for what they are. I've just been stealing my Acorn A3020's mouse to use on the A3010, but figured I really need a mouse for each computer. The once thing I can't replace though is my collection of Amiga A1200 disks. After 27 years, and out of over 100 disks, I think only 1 reads. It's not the disk drive either, it's just the disks have deteriorated over the years, probably due to poor storage in the loft and garage.

What's on the Amiga disks?

Games or personal files?

I've put a couple of sticks on eBay to.see how they sell.
 
What's on the Amiga disks?

Games or personal files?

I've put a couple of sticks on eBay to.see how they sell.

Just personal stuff. Nothing important at all since I haven't even used the disks for over 20 years, but would have been nice to go down memory lane and have a mooch around

I did have a few game disks that don't work also, but can download them so no problem. Thinking about also getting a Gotek, but then I spend most of my time with emulation on the raspberry pi 400 so not really sure if it's worth setting the A1200 back up.
 
Just personal stuff. Nothing important at all since I haven't even used the disks for over 20 years, but would have been nice to go down memory lane and have a mooch around

I did have a few game disks that don't work also, but can download them so no problem. Thinking about also getting a Gotek, but then I spend most of my time with emulation on the raspberry pi 400 so not really sure if it's worth setting the A1200 back up.

From my experience, most games are already available as adf or whdload files.

As for personal stuff, the 'SuperDrive' allows you to create a flux image or adf image of an Amiga floppy disk using a PC floppy drive.
 
As far as i remember the Quickshot II Turbo was the first ever micro switched stick.

Top ten sticks, as i said Zipstick was the best, not as rigid as the Competition Pro.

https://retromash.com/2015/04/10/top-ten-joysticks/

Hmmm... No 'The Arcade' by Suzo. My favourite stick.


In the meantime I managed to find a Competition Pro on Ebay for £25 on a buy it now, so I bought that as I haven't yet managed to locate my old microswitched sticks. Hope that arrives soon! The Kraft joystick I'm using feels very clunky.
 
BTW, the Competition Pro turned up, and works a treat.

Not in perfect condition but it does the job. The buttons are actually leaf switches, which makes them feel a little 'dead' with little travel compared to microswitch ones.

However playing games on the Spectrum is far better using this stick.
 
Just been looking at getting a Zipstick (not a Lipstick as autocorrect tried to impose) and was shocked at the price. £35 for a 30 year old second hand joystick! Gimme a break... In one case this was the price for an untested joystick! I'm going to take a gamble and try the ArcadeR 9 pin joysticks. At least they're new.
 
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