On Prem Vs Cloud

Fringe said:
I did bring up the NAS but its just more things for us to look after.
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Isn't that literally your job?
It sounds like you want everything on the cloud because it makes life easy for you, rather than it actually being a benefit to the business
 
Armageus said:
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Isn't that literally your job?
It sounds like you want everything on the cloud because it makes life easy for you, rather than it actually being a benefit to the business
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So it is but on the other hand we both look after the cnc machines , the sql side of the databases and we have to make all the changes to the products that we sell on the cad side. But because all the products we sell most of our time is taken up with that.

It's not that we are being lazy or anything it's the fact we need to lighten the burden on us both.

If we where just the it side it wouldn't be so much of a problem.

Another aspect of hosting a NAS would be the fact space is a issue we have one small room that we have to use for our servers / equipment and sadly our office is shared with another team so we don't have the space in there either.
 
the CAD softeare for me given the limited info i have is the concern.
will the company who designed it be around in 30years? and who has the source code/do you have contractual access to the source code should you choose? or are you only licenced for the end product?
you can have the data but if you dont have anything to open it on the data sort of becomes worthless..
 
LostCorpse said:
the CAD softeare for me given the limited info i have is the concern.
will the company who designed it be around in 30years? and who has the source code/do you have contractual access to the source code should you choose? or are you only licenced for the end product?
you can have the data but if you dont have anything to open it on the data sort of becomes worthless..
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As for how long this cad software will be around is a who knows the company that built it got bought out 3 years ago from what i was told.
I would hope there is some long-term plan with it going forward.
As for the source code we don't have access to that. We are only licenced for the end product. The guy who created it locked it down to dongle use only because his business partner at the time tried to run with it to China.
 
ah thats understandable.
but its something that need to be thought about as part of the long term strategy :/
theres the possibiliy they will turn around and say they are no longer suporting it. or the code base needs a complete re-write to suppot new operatinve system ect (hefty price tag goes with it).
at any raite im going of topic.
if you have custom cad the autodesk contructioncloud probably isnt what you want. unless its just bolt on to autodesk prducts.
offsite back up and regular restore is my thinking at the moment. Week day/Week/Month/Yearly depeneding on your level of needs
cost and time to repalce the USB Hardlock Dongles in case of Fire/theft/damage

out of interest what sort of data volume are you looking at

HP are looking to do a (TAAS) Tin As A Service model which is realtively cheap. it was a no goer for us for other reasosn but this is a possible use case. the Dongles would need to be sent obviously, if you have a few stagger sending them as machines are sorted out and tested. this also supplies a secure remote connection. you might get court in the 5year repalcement policy (not a bad thing) so that also needs to be considered. staff can be added and removed to remote pools.
they also offer NAS shared storage. for cad this could be what your looking for. still need to look at alterantives for backup as a whole
 
LostCorpse said:
ah thats understandable.
but its something that need to be thought about as part of the long term strategy :/
theres the possibiliy they will turn around and say they are no longer suporting it. or the code base needs a complete re-write to suppot new operatinve system ect (hefty price tag goes with it).
at any raite im going of topic.
if you have custom cad the autodesk contructioncloud probably isnt what you want. unless its just bolt on to autodesk prducts.
offsite back up and regular restore is my thinking at the moment. Week day/Week/Month/Yearly depeneding on your level of needs
cost and time to repalce the USB Hardlock Dongles in case of Fire/theft/damage

out of interest what sort of data volume are you looking at

HP are looking to do a (TAAS) Tin As A Service model which is realtively cheap. it was a no goer for us for other reasosn but this is a possible use case. the Dongles would need to be sent obviously, if you have a few stagger sending them as machines are sorted out and tested. this also supplies a secure remote connection. you might get court in the 5year repalcement policy (not a bad thing) so that also needs to be considered. staff can be added and removed to remote pools.
they also offer NAS shared storage. for cad this could be what your looking for. still need to look at alterantives for backup as a whole
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So as for data that we need to back up am currantly gathering that information as we speak. The data will increase over time obviously but will take a huge jump soon due to new contract with the government.
Can't thank you enough for the assistance here it's abit out of my scope.
I have about 6 projects on and have till October to complete , so upgrade all machines ,replace all old machines , decommissioning old servers installing new ones , I have had to get a rmm tool inplace and a ticketing system but I have ticked those 2 off rather quick.
It's all just abit hectic lol

But thanks again
 
Fringe said:
As for how long this cad software will be around is a who knows the company that built it got bought out 3 years ago from what i was told.
I would hope there is some long-term plan with it going forward.
As for the source code we don't have access to that. We are only licenced for the end product. The guy who created it locked it down to dongle use only because his business partner at the time tried to run with it to China.
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The key question is what does the letter of your contract say? What, Precisely, must you keep for 30 years? Whose problem is it if in 24 years when it's accessed, the files are valid but can't be opened in any software?

If you need these files to be openable, then I'd strongly suggest looking at your CAD software to see whether it can save in different formats. Save as many as you can; cast the net wide. Reach out to friends / industry contacts with competing CAD software; see if the files you exported can be opened? You might not need to worry if you can save in either an open file format, or one which is immensely common. Or both!

Good luck, though, sounds like you've got a lot of plates to spin.
 
I think main considerations are two typical angles:
- on prem - overal setup costs are higher, but ongoing maintenance can be cheaper (unless you outsource). you also get to choose when and how to upgrade what you have.
- saas (cloud) - initial costs are way lower, but the ongoing subscription costs can quickly add up. Mostly maintenance is already covered and upgrades are done when the vendors choose to, so you loose control but at least can stay on current (better?) versions

Ohh, and dont forget (even if so obvious) anything cloud based needs a solid internet connection, so this better be rock solid and quick.
 
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LostCorpse said:
plus cloud you at mercy of the vender if infrastructure goes down. still need to plan for outages.
were as on prem its you and the team fixing things.
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You could make the cloud/saas outage/infrastructure provisioning with appropriate backups a part of the contract, i.e. we have maximum tech support wait time and recovery details agreed with some of our vendors.
 
yep, i was more pointing out with on prem you know whats going on.
with cloud its more black box, and you cant make any decissions, SLAs arent always great.

example SAP, you have maximum tech support wait time and recovery details agreed - but if their infrastructer is in the cloud and its a cloud outage as example (would have to be fairly extreme i admit), you have the cloud provider SLAs on top of that. so 2 levels of black boxness. or 3 if you want to include hardware vendor SLAs on top of your own SLAs. as example

at least with onprem your able to get up todate info becuase your troubleshooting it direct.
its just how much visibility & control you want.

at the end it goes back to On-Prem VS Cloud debate
 
Give me On-Prem every day and twice on Sundays. I am in a constant struggle with other recent hires within the company who can't stand having our own equipment and control over it, they all pray at the Alter of Azure and the ridiculous monthly costs we now incur with them.
 
im more on the on-prem side. but i think in reality a Hybrid appraoch is the win on both sides.

cloud for the high availabiity and stand up flexability. but on-prem for cost effectiveness and control.

i suspect we may see more cloud outages in the near future, as things heat up in the world in general. Azure seems to be handling the RU attacks well as best i can tell.

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