One Night in Paris

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Hey Guys,

Been awhile since I've posted in here :(

Work is sending me to Paris tomorrow for half an hour of work lol

So the up shot (excuse the pun) of it all is.. I'll have one night in Paris before my flight back Thursday morning.

I've got a Lowepro Mini Trekker AW just enough room for a spare change of clothes.

So any tips and advise must go places etc

Would love to pull off some great side street photography.

Only want to take one lens with me and Gorilla tripod so which one...

Canon 50mm 1.8
Canon 17-55mm Kit Lens
Tamron 28-75 2.8

Cheers
Zaf
 
take the 50mm and the Tamron.

the F1.8 on the 50mm will be good for low light, and the tamron is better then the kit lens

i know you only wanted to take one lens but the 50mm is so small it wont matter
 
Sorry to disappoint guys!

Cheers mango I've followed your advise I'm just waiting on the platform in Derby any more top tips anyone?

What will St Pancras Station be like if I get my camera out or that just a no no in today climate?

Cheers
Zaf
 
My rule of thumb is, if there's no sign for no photography, I'll whip my camera out discreetly and shoot. If I get stopped, apologise with innocence and promptly keep the camera.

They CANNOT ask you to delete the pictures. It is your property and asking you to do so if they wave the law at you is classed as destroying evidence, which itself is against the law. Smile and be courteous and you'll be fine :)

Looking forward to the pictures!
 
mangobreeder said:
Mr jones is spot on,

if a copper askes you to delete photos, just say

"Certainly Officer, as long as you have a warrant?"
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Yes, that's really bright - being smart with somebody who has the power to detain you for a couple of hours while they 'check everything out' and you miss your train is never going to be a great move no matter how 'right' you might be...
 
bigredshark said:
Yes, that's really bright - being smart with somebody who has the power to detain you for a couple of hours while they 'check everything out' and you miss your train is never going to be a great move no matter how 'right' you might be...
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They can not do that. No matter what they say they can not lawfully detain you longer than it can take for a search to be carried out.

There is a world of difference between being "smart" and knowing your rights.

Ive been stopped loads of time when taking photos in public areas, and never been detained longer then it took for the search to be carried out. Even when i explained my rights, way back when i even corrected a policeman who tried to stop me under S44, and explained authorisation expired.

Again i was polite and respectfull, and he had no choice but to let me go.
 
mangobreeder said:
its not being smart, its knowing your right.

Yes police have powers, but they must be excercised with the bounds of the law.

They do not have a right to make you delete your photos unless they ahve a court order.
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Fine, but they have the right to detain you for any number of esoteric reasons, if they don't like your attitude and decide to stop and search you, have a chat for a few hours, verify your identity, etc in that sort of situation then you have virtually no comeback. There's a difference between knowing your rights and being an idiot.

Maybe you don't need to delete your photos but if you've spent 2 hours arguing with them and missing your train because you took the 'I legally don't have to so I'm going to be know it all pain' attitude that's a big victory isn't it?

Anyway, completely off topic now.
 
No they dont, its been restructured, they can only detain you under specific criteria of anti terrorist law.
 
small point here, is french law the same as uk law or are the replies informed on the ins and outs of french law / anti terrorism etc?
 
Derek W said:
small point here, is french law the same as uk law or are the replies informed on the ins and outs of french law / anti terrorism etc?
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Considering the whole debate started by talking about taking photos in Kings Cross, I don't think it really matters if French law is taken into account ;) :D
 
twoblacklines said:
No they dont, its been restructured, they can only detain you under specific criteria of anti terrorist law.
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not quite true,

police can only detain you to search, if they have reasonable suspicion under say The misue of drugs act or under PACE.

Ther are 4 kinds of "Stop"

1) Stop and account - You do not have to give any personal information, and they can only ask you things like, what are you doing, where have you been, etc.

2) Stop and search - You can only be stopped and searched, if they reasonably suspect you are carring Drugs, weapons, or stolen items. etc.

3) Cars, a copper can stop you at any time and ask to see your documents if you are in a car..

4) Car stop and seach - as above but your seach is search under the same grounds as #2

Major thread derail :)
 
No

Derek W said:
small point here, is french law the same as uk law or are the replies informed on the ins and outs of french law / anti terrorism etc?
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It is different and if concerned, you should Google it to check things out - its no use asserting the rights you have in the UK when in France as they don't exist in the same formulation.
 
Nonsense

Mr Jones said:
They CANNOT ask you to delete the pictures. It is your property and asking you to do so if they wave the law at you is classed as destroying evidence, which itself is against the law. Smile and be courteous and you'll be fine :)
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Photos on your camera in that situation are not evidence and being asked to delete them is not destroying evidence. Dude that is soo wrong.

But I agree with being direct and pleasant when dealing with enquiries from cops.:)
 
AtticusFinch said:
Photos on your camera in that situation are not evidence and being asked to delete them is not destroying evidence. Dude that is soo wrong.

But I agree with being direct and pleasant when dealing with enquiries from cops.:)
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If you are doing something wrong (say taking a photo of something you shouldn't) the existance of that photo is evidence of you taking that photo, therefore evidence.:)

Either way another way of doing it if the police officer gets really tetchy (although I'd suggest a bog standard security guard should always be told the law) is to just say certainly, take a photo of them, then delete both photos. Swap your card over when they leave and then recover the photos when you get home... Making sure to upload the photo and the shot of the person telling you to delete it...:p
 
Nearly but no

Amp34 said:
If you are doing something wrong (say taking a photo of something you shouldn't) the existance of that photo is evidence of you taking that photo, therefore evidence.:)

Either way another way of doing it if the police officer gets really tetchy (although I'd suggest a bog standard security guard should always be told the law) is to just say certainly, take a photo of them, then delete both photos. Swap your card over when they leave and then recover the photos when you get home... Making sure to upload the photo and the shot of the person telling you to delete it...:p
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It isn't evidence because you are not charged with anything at that point in time. It is only evidence once you have been charged and the factual allegations have been made clear. Otherwise it's simply your property do with as you wish and no one and nobody has the power or authority to compel you to do anything with it.

Evidence is relative and cannot be brought to bear without the charge.

But I understand your basic logic otherwise.:)
 
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