Onepagebook in Cheating Scandal?

Starfall · 15 Dec 2006 at 10:52

Its_Me said:
This thing has happened to help sell stuff since the start.

How many can hold their credit when profit comes into the equation.

NONE !

easy to wag the fingerr. those that live in a glass house etc.

Sadly so many are wanting to believe rather then question - "omg are you are you saying he cheats his scores to helps sales"...........................

<sarcasm>check out my specials!</sarcasm>

see the trend ?

Stick with what you know and trust.

Exactly.

But why was this brought up on XS in the first place? Nothing is without reason and sure as hell this wasn't brought up because of "honour"...

OC_A64 · 15 Dec 2006 at 11:12

It was brought up becasuse the results are below the "optimal" expected results for a given clockspeed. These results maybe legit, they maybe not. The purpose of the thread was to identify which it was. However now things seem to have been turned into a witch hunt, with accusations of cheating flying backwards and forwards.

fornowagain · 15 Dec 2006 at 12:31

To me, what doesn't look right, especially with Coolaler, is the progression of the results. Vapor calculated the performance factor for the best machines, it indicates the performance of different system set-ups inc tweaks. Whats weird is that Coolaler' system results hold within a range, then suddenly his machine starts to get more efficient, that just plain weird. If he has a tweak that no ones knows, the overall performance would still show in the first results. Something is different, their machines perform way better than anyones else's, then again that might just be down to skill.

goreblast · 22 Dec 2006 at 22:36

Anyone know if either party has made comment - been in hospital for a week and only back online now

Starfall · 22 Dec 2006 at 23:18

All i know is that the operators and senior members of XS firmly believe that OPB and Coolaler were cheating. I don't think anyone will ever realy know apart from the parties involved.

Wether right or not i think that OPB and Coolaler are pretty much finished, i doubt they'll hold the same respect they once did. They took the accusation and didn't do enough to defend themselves. The defense OPB gave didn't account for the times, it was pretty far off, maybe he had more but if he did he didn't show it to prove the legitimacy...

fornowagain · 23 Dec 2006 at 04:10

XS carried on talking here

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=125972

Jokester · 23 Dec 2006 at 10:58

Well, having seen the other irregularities, especially the A64 2.8GHz run I'm pretty much convinced they were both upto no good.

XS hit the nail on the head, if it was anyother sort of world record it would be open to scrutiny by the governing body or Norris McWhirter

.

"We used a super tweak" doesn't cut it as an explanation as any cheater could use it. If they can legitimise their results by sharing it or even demonstrating it to a third party, only then will my opinion change.

Jokester

weescott · 23 Dec 2006 at 11:40

xs member said:
The Trick is vmware
Keyword "virtual machine" (vmware)
vmware makes it happen.
if you push Vmware to its limits, the os runs much slower as usual.
on that way, you'll give the CPU more time to calculate 1m

/Installs Super PI on works 3.0 Prescott 256mb ram apps server running VMware for 12second Pi run :eek:

Meh. I think I'll stop updating my superpi suvery. Oh wait...I already did.

FreeStream · 23 Dec 2006 at 11:53

Jokester said:
Well, having seen the other irregularities, especially the A64 2.8GHz run I'm pretty much convinced they were both upto no good.

XS hit the nail on the head, if it was anyother sort of world record it would be open to scrutiny by the governing body or Norris McWhirter .

"We used a super tweak" doesn't cut it as an explanation as any cheater could use it. If they can legitimise their results by sharing it or even demonstrating it to a third party, only then will my opinion change.

Jokester

Aye, I used to trust his results, but now I don't. The facts just don't line up to a decent run, like that 2.8ghz AMD64 run, that has to be BS. And that conroe run doesn't look brilliant either.

The way Futuremark/SiSoft just ignore the cheating is just :eek:

someone needs to kick them up the backside.

Jokester · 15 Jun 2009 at 22:36

Thread necromancy.

He's now been banned from HWbot for cheating again.

http://www.hwbot.org/hwbot.post.do?postId=1107

Rroff · 15 Jun 2009 at 23:13

suprise

PaulyD · 15 Jun 2009 at 23:20

Not good for the community

Skree · 16 Jun 2009 at 05:17

cheating at nerdage.. how lame can someone get? It's bad enough being one (trust me, i know after 27yrs experience being one) but to cheat at it?.. i'd say "lol" but it isnt that funny

i mean we've all added a 1 to a P3's mhz in cpu-z with mspaint to play a trick on a mate (i have, anyway.. 1963 mhz out of a P3-700 indeed lmao) but.. cheating to basically the whole oc community... stupid and very, very sad. I pity him.

lay-z-boy · 16 Jun 2009 at 09:30

OPB at it again.

No surprise really, give him a few months and he'll be back as twopagebook. :rolleyes:

Yamahahahahaha · 16 Jun 2009 at 12:24

Doesn't surprise me at all.

They did a nice graph with results coming from Coolaler and OPB vs. Everyone else at XS a while back, the results for most members fell very neatly around the trend line, except OPB and Coolaler's who were consistently out in front.
Any statistician would put their results down as erroneous given the dataset.

Never mind eh? All the people who supported him now have egg on their face.

kitfit1 · 20 Jun 2009 at 00:15

PaulyD said:
Not good for the community

If you mean that banning him is not good for the community, i can't agree with the statement.

A cheat is a cheat, is a cheat. It makes everything they do and have done invalid and worthless. Which in turn means that they shouldn't be looked up to. If someone can't or won't clock and bench "cleanly", then frankly, they shouldn't be doing it at all. In the same way that athlete's taking drugs, shows contempt for athlete's that don't take drugs, this guy has shown contempt towards ALL of us. So as far as i'm concerened, good riddence to bad rubbish.

MikeHunt79 · 20 Jun 2009 at 00:23

I find it pretty crazy yet pretty cool that people can make a living from overclocking... Cheating is out of line tho, it's akin to an athlete taking performance enhancing drugs...

Rroff · 20 Jun 2009 at 00:26

Yamahahahahaha said:
Doesn't surprise me at all.

They did a nice graph with results coming from Coolaler and OPB vs. Everyone else at XS a while back, the results for most members fell very neatly around the trend line, except OPB and Coolaler's who were consistently out in front.
Any statistician would put their results down as erroneous given the dataset.

Never mind eh? All the people who supported him now have egg on their face.

Depends tho... I used to be able to get 4-5% quicker super pi 1Mb results at the same clock rate as most people just by changing one undocumented, reserve value OS/interupt priority setting - which most people didn't at the time know about - it wasn't cheating - but the results wouldn't have fit into the normal results curve.

kitfit1 · 20 Jun 2009 at 00:33

Rroff said:
Depends tho... I used to be able to get 4-5% quicker super pi 1Mb results at the same clock rate as most people just by changing one undocumented, reserve value OS/interupt priority setting - which most people didn't at the time know about - it wasn't cheating - but the results wouldn't have fit into the normal results curve.

That may well be the case Rroff, but you could prove it wasn't a cheat by repeating it consistantly, if it was called into question.

His refusal to "prove" he wasn't cheating is a virtual admitance of guilt. Let's face it, if we were accused of cheating when we wearn't, we would bend over backwards to prove it.