Onepagebook in Cheating Scandal?

Rroff said:
does bring up one question tho... the validity of freak results... I've seen it not uncommonly with overclocking that one run will out of the blue return a very high score that is impossible to replicate again, and totally outside of any common result curve... can you call that a world record if you can't replicate it?
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For me if you can't replicate the results it's not legitimate. The same system doesn't score the same time every time you run it, you get a distribution of results (much like the graphs that XS have produced). It just seems that they're scores are outwith what would be reasonable to expect in terms of distribution.

Jokester
 
seems to me that many of opb's results have been of that nature rather than cheating...

coolaler on the other hand, has generally posted results which fit within what I'd have expected from extrapolating my own somewhat more modest overclocking...
 
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Rroff said:
uh no... I'm not talking about 2 different products from the same batch...
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Well these chips are out in public too, Intel aint gonna make one super chip just to own the Super Pi run.

And the screenshots show X6800.

As far as im concerned, the facts that I see shows me that there is a big difference in their scores compared to others. Unless they prove it again, then they are discounted from WRs IMO.
 
Rroff said:
coolaler on the other hand, has generally posted results which fit within what I'd have expected from extrapolating my own somewhat more modest overclocking...
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You can't extrapolate because the relationship isn't linear due to you not being able to scale FSB and RAM performance with the CPU overclock.

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Concorde Rules said:
Well these chips are out in public too, Intel aint gonna make one super chip just to own the Super Pi run.

And the screenshots show X6800.

As far as im concerned, the facts that I see shows me that there is a big difference in their scores compared to others. Unless they prove it again, then they are discounted from WRs IMO.
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I was talking in a general sense... and not just the CPU, any part of the system could theoretically have an impact on performance...
 
Jokester said:
You can't extrapolate because the relationship isn't linear due to you not being able to scale FSB and RAM performance with the CPU overclock.

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you can extrapolate when your results are close enough that the ram would still be on the same divider, etc. etc. thats what I'm talking about... not straight frequency scaling.
 
I cant add much inside info to clear up the accusations but I can add that:

OPB definately DOES have special components.. he has pick of TeamXtreem parts, and has a limited Signature edition line of RAM. I have a split Signature Edition with him, only set in the UK as far as I know.

Neither of them have access to XS at the mo. Coolaler, AFAIK, is banned as it is, and OPB cant log in (yea, we`ve all heard that before, but I think he`d post if he could)

OPB and the TX engineers know probably everything there is to know about RAM. Even though RAM tweaks dont really help SuperPi on C2D as most of it is in the CPU cache, if theres a performance boost to be had, they`ll know it, same goes for OS tweaks
 
Whatever is true about this, it will end up being used as political leverage between XS and OCX. The extreme forums are worth a huge amount of money to the owners, remember that more than anything with any accusation you see.

The people directly involved also have a huge amount to loose financially. OPB is the face of Team Xtreme, he has to produce results to survive as an employee. I don't believe that he would not cheat or bend the rules substantially to do this.

In my opinion Coolaler is disreputable.

Whatever this is, it is done in software, it is not a strap, timing or frequency tweak. The accusations of PLL "crystal swapping" are in the wrong direction, some of the people suggesting this obviously don't have a clue as to how you would even shunt the reference clocks. This is irrelevant but OPB is not "that good" with physical hardware...

Team use the same IC's as every other company. Different speed bins, PCB possibly but the point is that these results are skewed for the given speeds...
 
Starfall said:
The people directly involved also have a huge amount to loose financially. OPB is the face of Team Xtreme, he has to produce results to survive as an employee. I don't believe that he would not cheat or bend the rules substantially to do this.
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Thing is though, theres more to lose than gain *if* they *did* cheat, and were exposed.

TeamXtreem seem to be pushing harder than some other manufacturers for better official timings. AFAIK, OPB is not just an endorsement face, he actually works for them and contributes to design and test work.
 
K404 said:
2OPB is not just an endorsement face, he actually works for them and contributes to design and test work.
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OPB, Kevin Wu, he works in TX product support, wasn't that long ago he worked for G.Skill. XS banned him for a month earlier this year for being argumentative with a mod, at least thats what was said, make of that what you will.
 
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I just dont understand the "lets say nothing" stance that both of them have taken. I have looked up to OPB for a couple of years now; somehow he was always benching similar hardware to me and has helped enormously. It would be such a shame if this was a cheat rather than a fluke/error result or some new uber tweak that they have discovered. Either way keeping quiet only makes things worse!
 
must be something special about the ram. i noticed that super pi was very sensitive to my memory speed and timings, more so than cpu speed. but then again i got A64 and thier conroe systems could work on a totally different basis.

hard to say if its a cheat or not. if a hammer a ferrari with my ford escort just because i use nitrous does it make me a cheat? or if i chan the ferrari to a lampost then beat it in the race does that make me a cheat?
 
Cyber-Mav said:
hard to say if its a cheat or not. if a hammer a ferrari with my ford escort just because i use nitrous does it make me a cheat? or if i chan the ferrari to a lampost then beat it in the race does that make me a cheat?
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Yes and yes. :D:p
 
fornowagain said:
No and Yes
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^^^

the SP24 thig with the AMD is so a cheat tho, must be, same clock speed, same FSB, but 1 sec quicker with TCCD instead of tighter BH-5.

Unless they show proof of what they did then im not willing to accept their WR.
 
From OCX

Originally Posted by OPB
ha, I finally understand one thing, the persons like vapor,...especially that Z****himself...? he is so rude, I don't know how his parents gave him education?
so if I just explain or tell him how the OPBtweaks works, I think his brain is gonna feel all the ****. and alsoI really don't wanna said this, get the **** out of here, if they two come to ocx again, that would be heavy moderation . period. Those two definitely are two sides for sure, I am telling you. Damn it.

Edit: sorry about that OT,
For all the XS members come here and read. I appreciate you guys trust me (some of you certainly) but I must warn those who
gave me all the bull and try to setup me.
you gotta do very very fine set up for you to get OPB die in that trap circle,
I am not that easy to kill
let me tell you , I have been very very respecting Fugger for a long time since I stepping into XS. But some of his MOD just act like they are the most
intelligent moderators, FUgger, you finally will be dragged down by all those mods if you keep let them hadle what they wanna do.

I have my own dignity, I don't have to cheat and I have my right to think who I can share with my tweaking skill,
so don't push me like that
OC is the very happy thing and pure brain exercise, agree?
so cheat it is just give all the **** to myself, and I can tell anyone. Since I playing OC, all the hardware besides RAM, they are all my own cost.
How about XS ? think about OCX can have sponsor, but why I refused them one by one at this moment. Because if I do , I will have more "set up from
every single forum I promise you. not only like this,
that's why I am so sick of hear this bull like becuase we are strong community....so we got right to doubt you are cheating."

common, andy, eat those words back and be good for your mod . do it good not do me to death.
I am really sorry for you as you can act like ***hole completely and certainly you know what you did.
so don't fake as blind and tell me
where, I did not see anything.
yup because you are purely just nothing to me.
period.
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So no explaination then, just flaming.
 
He sounds like a big kid. As you say fornowagain - just flaming. Bye bye to the ounce of credability he once held. No explanation needed.
 
BIG SIGH. You know I had to seriously think twice about posting in this thread as I can't believe how many have been sucked into this ( and lots of stuff like it).
This thing has happened to help sell stuff since the start.

How many can hold their credit when profit comes into the equation.

NONE !

easy to wag the fingerr. those that live in a glass house etc.

Sadly so many are wanting to believe rather then question - "omg are you are you saying he cheats his scores to helps sales"...........................

<sarcasm>check out my specials!</sarcasm>

see the trend ?

Stick with what you know and trust.
 
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