Online Casino Software - Clean?

RastaManBob · 15 Jul 2007 at 13:13

Hey,

Considering having a bash on some online casinos and although some do have the option to play online (without using their own software) the majority of the better ones seem to require you download their own.

Does anybody know if these are, generally, clean of virus/spyware/general nasties etc? Any online resources that generally test the programs/casinos for this kind of thing and list "safe" ones?

I don't really want to install anything onto the computer if it will fill it with spyware or the like... Will be more hassel than its worth!

Some casinos I was considering playing include 32Red, Red Lounge, Ladbrokes, etc.

Cheers.

Dan.

beh · 15 Jul 2007 at 15:35

Some of the casino software is borderline adware. For example, cryptologic (willhill, intercasino) has an annoying feature where it creates shortcuts in the quicklaunch bar, the start menu, and in your browser both on opening and closing the program, if it finds they don't exist (i.e. you've deleted them). But if you stick to reputable casinos that'll be the worst it.

The rpoints casino crazy forum is a good place to search for peoples experiences with particular casinos, while also containing lots of nifty bonus offers and such.

RastaManBob · 17 Jul 2007 at 21:51

Thanks for the reply

I cannot find the Casino section on Rpoints.. Are you sure it's there or am I just missing it?

Anybody else have anything to add? At the moment interested in hearing about 32Red Online Casino (Uses Microgaming from what I've found on their site..).

Cheers.

beh · 17 Jul 2007 at 21:52

RastaManBob said:
I cannot find the Casino section on Rpoints.. Are you sure it's there or am I just missing it?

You need to register there to be able to see it.

Glaucus · 17 Jul 2007 at 21:52

beh said:
Some of the casino software is borderline adware. For example, cryptologic (willhill, intercasino) has an annoying feature where it creates shortcuts in the quicklaunch bar, the start menu, and in your browser both on opening and closing the program, if it finds they don't exist (i.e. you've deleted them

Intercasino doesn't do that,

beh · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:01

AcidHell2 said:
Intercasino doesn't do that,

Ah, my bad

I'd given up deleting the shortcuts an older version kept creating so hadn't realised it was no longer so.

Glaucus · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:03

beh said:
Ah, my bad I'd given up deleting the shortcuts an older version kept creating so hadn't realised it was no longer so.

I've got it, occasionally you get a disconnect, but you just log back in. Deleted all the things apart from quick launch and they don't reappear.

Frank_Rizzo · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:11

Can I ask why you want to play online casino games?

Is it for recreation or to try and win money?

Glaucus · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:13

Frank_Rizzo said:
Can I ask why you want to play online casino games?

Is it for recreation or to try and win money?

Both, never lost money on black jack. As long as you stay sensible, your pretty much guaranteed to win.

Frank_Rizzo · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:17

Q was to the OP but seeing as you have replied

As long as you stay sensible, your pretty much guaranteed to win

Unless you are card counting it is impossible to win. The game has a negative edge which over time will grind down your cash.

Negative edges can not be beaten by any staking plan. It's a law of nature - like gravity.

Glaucus · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:20

Frank_Rizzo said:
Q was to the OP but seeing as you have replied

Unless you are card counting it is impossible to win. The game has a negative edge which over time will grind down your cash.

Negative edges can not be beaten by any staking plan. It's a law of nature - like gravity.

play the odds, and every know and then double your stake. As I've said I've never lost and made about £400 over the last 12 months. it's slow work, but completely possible. The bit that gives you an edge is the dealer having to deal to 16 and stick at 17 or what ever it is. You can get some easy wins on crap cards.

Although technically your right, it's not hard to beat, being sensible.

Anewbe4u · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:21

he is probably refering to using the bonus money on casinos'

Put 50 in, get 50, gamble the 50 of the casino first, if win, great, if you don't withdraw your money.

This is becoming harder and harder now days.

In the past 2 years I'm up over 6k I would guess at.

RastaManBob · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:22

Hi there,

To answer your question I'd say that initally the idea was to make money though it has proven to be a fairly alright way to pass an hour or so every now and again - I must say though that I am a wuss and would never play too much for fear of becoming hooked or something

So far I've only ever put £50 into online casinos with balance currently standing at £200.05 (Blackjack, too).

To be honest, it is the reputation of casino software leaving files everywhere over a computer that puts me off spending more time with it (Some offer pure-online gaming but several do not it seems).

EDIT
// And card counting cannot be used as the decks are reshuffled after each hand.

Glaucus · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:22

anewbe4u said:
he is probably refering to using the bonus money on casinos'

Put 50 in, get 50, gamble the 50 of the casino first, if win, great, if you don't withdraw your money.
.

That helps But I don't need the bonus to win. even when you have to place £1250 of bets for a free £25 it's still worth it.

Anewbe4u · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:23

AcidHell2 said:
play the odds, and every know and then double your stake. As I've said I've never lost and made about £400 over the last 12 months. it's slow work, but completely possible. The bit that gives you an edge is the dealer having to deal to 16 and stick at 17 or what ever it is. You can get some easy wins on crap cards.

Although technically your right, it's not hard to beat, being sensible.

Oh.

Then the person you replied to is right, you've just been lucky. The house has the edge always. Its minamal but still there. Even using the chart for the correct moves I believe its something like 49% to you 51% to the house.

Glaucus · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:25

anewbe4u said:
Oh.

Then the person you replied to is right, you've just been lucky. The house has the edge always. Its minamal but still there. Even using the chart for the correct moves I believe its something like 49% to you 51% to the house.

luck is something that happens occasionally, repeatedly doing something isn't luck. I suppose it's a simple version of card counting, you get feelings of what is going to come up.

Anewbe4u · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:28

AcidHell2 said:
luck is something that happens occasionally, repeatedly doing something isn't luck. I suppose it's a simple version of card counting, you get feelings of what is going to come up.

Rightio.

Why not raise your bets then? As I said I've made 6k in 2 years, £400 in 12 months, although good could be so much better if you are "pretty much guaranteed to win"

Frank_Rizzo · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:29

re: Bonuses. Don't get me started on that. I discussed that about a year ago here and created more enemies than on the recent Micro$haft thread

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AH2. You've just had a lucky streak that's all. Although you are showing signs of sensible cash management which is reducing your risk.

But let me try and convince you that the longer you play the more certain it is that the £400 will go and more.

Depending on the rules the house edge can be around 0.5 to 1%. This means that over time your money is going to erode - it could go up for some time, but in the long run it will be grinded away.

Play heads or tails for £1. If you guess wrongly I keep your quid. If you guess correctly I will give you back 99.5p.

Would you want to play that game? That's what's happening with Blackjack. Doesn't matter how many glitzy lights the casinos shine, or how many free drinks they give customers. In the long run those customers are never going to overcome the negative edge.

Glaucus · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:31

anewbe4u said:
Rightio.

Why not raise your bets then? As I said I've made 6k in 2 years, £400 in 12 months, although good could be so much better if you are "pretty much guaranteed to win"

as with any betting your going to have losing streaks and thus need to keep the reserves. Also I don't have a huge amount of spare cash. £30 for a £2 bet is about right. When I hit £80 in the bank I move up to £4 bets. It's slow work, but seems to work.

Frank_Rizzo said:
Would you want to play that game? That's what's happening with Blackjack. Doesn't matter how many glitzy lights the casinos shine, or how many free drinks they give customers. In the long run those customers are never going to overcome the negative edge.

I completely understand what your saying, but I don't believe it's a lucky streak, I've been playing for 2 years now and make a decent amount. I also take out my stake as soon as I've built up enough winnings.

Anewbe4u · 17 Jul 2007 at 22:31

Frank_Rizzo said:
re: Bonuses. Don't get me started on that. I discussed that about a year ago here and created more enemies than on the recent Micro$haft thread

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AH2. You've just had a lucky streak that's all. Although you are showing signs of sensible cash management which is reducing your risk.

But let me try and convince you that the longer you play the more certain it is that the £400 will go and more.

Depending on the rules the house edge can be around 0.5 to 1%. This means that over time your money is going to erode - it could go up for some time, but in the long run it will be grinded away.

Play heads or tails for £1. If you guess wrongly I keep your quid. If you guess correctly I will give you back 99.5p.

Would you want to play that game? That's what's happening with Blackjack. Doesn't matter how many glitzy lights the casinos shine, or how many free drinks they give customers. In the long run those customers are never going to overcome the negative edge.

That was my point, you just made it a lot better.

RE: Bonuses.

it's a shame so many don't do them like they used to, I used to be able to play 10+ Casino's for free. Now its down to 2 or something stupid.