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Delvis said:
Same thing though is it not? :)

How is it different than stealing from a store? You've still obtained it for free....apart from the fact no packaging was manufactured
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So if I came into your home and made an exact copy of your computer chair and took it away that would be me stealing from you?
 
Sinque said:
So if I came into your home and made an exact copy of your computer chair and took it away that would be me stealing from you?
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Come again?

Who said anything about copying?

You wouldnt be no, but you'd have made that manufacturer one less sale due to not going in and buying it...no?
 
Sinque said:
So if I came into your home and made an exact copy of your computer chair and took it away that would be me stealing from you?
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Completely pointless example. Presumably you've paid for the materials for your "copy" chair, and you've put the time into building it.

Unless you're hearing a piece of music, going to a recording studio and re-recording from scratch yourself, there's absolutely no relevance to that example.

Regardless of the technicalities of if it's theft or not, it's still only motivated by greed.
 
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Delvis said:
Come again?

Who said anything about copying?

You wouldnt be no, but you'd have made that manufacturer one less sale due to not going in and buying it...no?
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That is essentially what pirating is, copying. Hence why it's not theft but only copyright infringement.

And the last point is debatable, what is to say I would have bought it?
 
delvis it is different because you didnt walk into the store with a star trek duplicator device and make a copy of it and walk out.

this is intellectual property, not actual property, it is 1s and 0s.

no loss is actually incured (*spelling*?) when a duplication of 1s and 0s is done. it is only hypothetical losses that are created by greedy BIG MEDIA execs and government to push through draconian internet laws.
 
I do give up...Are people actually unable to see things from different sides? Or does the entire population wear blinkers nowadays?
 
i am against intellectual property. audiobook for you

i put an audio book as i thought you might not read the actual book, being uneducated and all.

i figured you won't even listen to it, because you choose to have blinkers on the subject, the whole "it is stealing" *Stamps feet*

next you will be telling me, that the artists are struggling, actually a lot the artists are on my side on this issue and there are more artists ****ed off with the BIG MEDIA than there are happy with them. How many stories i have heard of big media ripping off and exploiting good artists.... just shows maybe it is about time these ******** stopped ripping everyone off.
 
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Delvis said:
All of which can be obtained cheaply

It's just not cheap to you
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Yeah, spending £10 - £12 on a newly released CD is really cheap, especially when the record excecutives are earning significantly more from the cd's than the artists are.

Spending hundreds of pounds on software isn't an option, but I still need it for college work.

I don't mind paying up to a fiver for a film but any more than that no way. Seeing as most new releases are majorly expensive I can't afford that.

It's alright if you've got spare income but I don't have a lot.
 
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I get around said:
Yeah, spending £12 on a newly released CD is really cheap, especially when the record excecutives are earning more from the cd's than the artists are.
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Where on earth do you buy your music from? Or should I say where on earth do you not buy your music from?
 
Delvis said:
;)

Funny thing is, I'm fully aware of what people are saying...when you download something, who's to say you was actually going to buy it?

So meh, I just like everyones exscuses :p
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That wasn't the original point though. You were saying that downloading a copy of something is the same as theft - which it isn't.
 
groen said:
i figured you won't even listen to it, because you choose to have blinkers on the subject, the whole "it is stealing" *Stamps feet*
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Who has blinkers? Never stated I personally wore blinkers, I was referring to other people being unable to see two sides of an argument as per usual :)
 
Sinque said:
That wasn't the original point though. You were saying that downloading a copy of something is the same as theft - which it isn't.
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How is it not? You have obtained something for free which normally it would cost the average joe some money.

:)
 
I get around said:
I don't mind paying up to a fiver for a film but any more than that no way. Seeing as most new releases are majorly expensive I can't afford that.

It's alright if you've got spare income but I don't have a lot.
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So don't watch them until they come down to a price you can afford? Or is there suddenly an entitlement to media that I am unaware of?
 
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