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Arsenal played with their reserve keeper in both PL and CL games after both Al and Fab got injured.

Arsenal also had to play with midfelders up front when we ran out of strikers.

So why are City allowed to get in a loan player when they have an international goal keeper and im sure they have a reserve keeper in their books somewhere.
 
bloodline76 said:
Arsenal played with their reserve keeper in both PL and CL games after both Al and Fab got injured.

Arsenal also had to play with midfelders up front when we ran out of strikers.

So why are City allowed to get in a loan player when they have an international goal keeper and im sure they have a reserve keeper in their books somewhere.
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Its all about the moniesssss...
 
Plenty of teams sign emergency players, as said, better to not have the league disintergrate in the final two games due to a horrible injury. Other teams have had emergency situations and classing a guy as an international as reason for not needing another keeper is petty at best.

I mean, if Carew, Gabby, Young and Delfounso got injured would anyone begrudge Villa getting an emergency striker in instead of playing Heskey, no.

As for Arsenal, we didn't apply to get an emergency striker, we also had more than one international striker fit, and an international that actually plays games, for a decent team, and is in the world cup.

Now if Spurs, Arsenal or any other team APPLIED to be allowed to get emergency cover in.... AND was DENIED, thats one thing. But City are using a rule, thats there, exists, and is available to everyone. Just because every team hasn't exercised their rights, doesn't mean City shouldn't be allowed to.

Quite a lot of teams in lower leagues have signed emergency players this season and many other seasons, Wolves loaned out a striker on an emergency loan for a while.

AS for Given, I've been saying for 5 years we should have bought Given, infact I think Given's situation was a joke, Newcastle have had trouble for many years and not been competitive for even longer, any of the top 4 could have bought Given years ago and gotten many years out of him. Arsenal is the biggest joke due to who we have as keepers right now. But Utd could easily have signed him as cover for VDS, Cech to given would be a sidestep and Cech has years left to play, Arsenal are literally insane for not getting him years ago, Spurs really should have gone for Given over Gomes.
 
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It's moments when you glance at tables such as that one, see Arsenal are ahead of Chelsea, AC Milan, Juve, Barcelona, Bayern and really, really, really appreciate what a miracle Wenger has cast during his time at Arsenal, he's literally dragged the club up to the top of Europe
 
jakeke said:
It's moments when you glance at tables such as that one, see Arsenal are ahead of Chelsea, AC Milan, Juve, Barcelona, Bayern and really, really, really appreciate what a miracle Wenger has cast during his time at Arsenal, he's literally dragged the club up to the top of Europe
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True but a lot of Arsenal supporters are also getting narked off with ourt inability to win trophies....coupled with the fact that Wenger doesnt like to splash a lot of cash around for good proven players...rather he spends bare minimum to bring in young players ie Viera/Henry and Fabregas and bloods them into world class players.

Hopefully come this summer after the WC, he will sign some players with calibre.
 
Patience is needed, what's a few years sacrifice (where the team have been competitive for 2 or 3 of the 5 still) in return for the stability of the club for the next 30 years?

I'd say it makes sense, and that's why it's been done.

Especially when you look at the situation at Hull, Portsmouth, West Ham, Chelsea (losing money year on year, RA will certainly get bored in a few years, then what?) etc. etc.. Arsenal did the thing that makes sense and yes it sucks that the on field performance has dipped a little, you can't have everything though (unless you're Real Madrid and the government are your bank)
 
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bloodline76 said:
Arsenal played with their reserve keeper in both PL and CL games after both Al and Fab got injured.

Arsenal also had to play with midfelders up front when we ran out of strikers.

So why are City allowed to get in a loan player when they have an international goal keeper and im sure they have a reserve keeper in their books somewhere.
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As far as I know, a team can obtain a player on loan at any time. The problem in City's case is they wanted to recall a loan player of which there was no recall clause. Cheap lawyer!
 
No, you can only loan people in during the transfer window, theres provisions for emergency loans though, I have to say I have no idea what the actual rules are, but there are conditions and plenty of clubs in all the leagues use them.

Recalling the player needed special permission not because of emergency loans at all but because as it was a fee based loan you can't put a recall clause in the loan contract. A completely free loan you can choose to put it in the contract that you can recall the player at any time.
EDIT:- might also be something to do with loan to a player in the same league, theres some reason they couldn't have a recall clause in the contract so had to ask the FA if they could recall him with Brum's agreement.

You can sign a player at any time of the season if he's out of contract with no club, but I'm sure there has to be something to get around the situation that say City could pay, lets say Barca 100million to fire Messi tonight, and sign him as a free agent tomorrow.

Emergency loans are fairly normal but, as shown here its not like they can get in a truly fantastic keeper on loan, its why most clubs don't go out and find themselves an emergency loan as the majority of the time bigger teams in higher leagues can only find lower quality players. IE who could Arsenal have got as an emergency striker and would they be as good a player as Arshavin, no, they could loan in Brentfords 3rd choice striker, but not get Henry back from Barca on loan, so why bother. Could Brentford go and get an emergency loan for Merida or Wilshire yes, its why its more often done by lower league clubs but it does happen.

In fact, I always wondered why some clubs didn't arrange a situation where one club fires a player so he can be signed on a free. MAybe by buying some youth team member for say £20mil, which can't go through till the transfer window, but after payment firing another player whose worth 20mil, then the next day that player gets signed on a free, I guess most clubs don't want to sell players at stupid times. Though a club like Pompie could try something dodgey to sell someone to avoid administration I guess.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
No, you can only loan people in during the transfer window, theres provisions for emergency loans though, I have to say I have no idea what the actual rules are, but there are conditions and plenty of clubs in all the leagues use them.

Recalling the player needed special permission not because of emergency loans at all but because as it was a fee based loan you can't put a recall clause in the loan contract. A completely free loan you can choose to put it in the contract that you can recall the player at any time.
EDIT:- might also be something to do with loan to a player in the same league, theres some reason they couldn't have a recall clause in the contract so had to ask the FA if they could recall him with Brum's agreement.

You can sign a player at any time of the season if he's out of contract with no club, but I'm sure there has to be something to get around the situation that say City could pay, lets say Barca 100million to fire Messi tonight, and sign him as a free agent tomorrow.

Emergency loans are fairly normal but, as shown here its not like they can get in a truly fantastic keeper on loan, its why most clubs don't go out and find themselves an emergency loan as the majority of the time bigger teams in higher leagues can only find lower quality players. IE who could Arsenal have got as an emergency striker and would they be as good a player as Arshavin, no, they could loan in Brentfords 3rd choice striker, but not get Henry back from Barca on loan, so why bother. Could Brentford go and get an emergency loan for Merida or Wilshire yes, its why its more often done by lower league clubs but it does happen.

In fact, I always wondered why some clubs didn't arrange a situation where one club fires a player so he can be signed on a free. MAybe by buying some youth team member for say £20mil, which can't go through till the transfer window, but after payment firing another player whose worth 20mil, then the next day that player gets signed on a free, I guess most clubs don't want to sell players at stupid times. Though a club like Pompie could try something dodgey to sell someone to avoid administration I guess.
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It can only be a keeper as its a specialised position.

If a club runs out of players in a position, they have to play someone else there, its nothing to do with the size of the club.
The F.A have blocked this move to maintain the integrity of the league, a season based loan is exactly that, he is Brums player for a season, end of story.
 
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What's that based on exactly?
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Trophies dont cha know:p...we havent won as many trophies as Utd and Liverspuds have in the past which is a fair enough observation.

But moneywise we are one of the best, if not the best in the world. And i think this summer Wenger is going to spend some cash on getting some decent players ie players that we are currently linked with include Chamakh...more or less a done deal...Hangeland, Cahill, Diarra from Madrid and a few others i was reading abotu earlier today...whether they come or not is another question but i expect to see Chamakh at Arsenal next season and i expect Wenger to spend some monies...id be disappointed if he didnt.
 
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