OpenGL 4.0

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Well i just came across this:

http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/03/11/opengl-4-0-comes-out-to-play/

So OpenGL 4.0 is out, with ATI yet again leading the way and completely leveling the playing field with DX11. And i suppose i don't need to tell you that:

• OpenGL supports more platforms than DX
• OpenGL has far more uses than DX
• OpenGL is better made than DX
• OpenGL is lighter on resources than DX

etc. etc, on with the fanboy stuff and all. But really, as a Linux user i'm quite exited by this. If only we could convince developers to use it. Rage looks like a great showcase though...

If you want to try it out for yourself:

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/15419/unigine_adds_3d_support_and_opengl_4_0_to_heaven/index.html

3.3 was released too but i doubt you're interested in that

 

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Problem with OpenGL it "makes every game look like quake".

Interesting point, but i think you mean to say that all 'good' 3D OpenGL games are made by id Software. Even those that aren't are based on id Tech engines...

http://alientrap.org/nexuiz/

 

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We have to wonder what percentage of people want to play games on Linux. Not very much I suspect.

Well if this thread is anything to go by, quite a lot. If games were made available for Linux as well as Windows then there would no reason for a lot of people to use Windows any more.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18114012

 

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ATI leading the way with opengl? maybe for games but for apps their consumer opengl is a worthless joke.

As in, they were the first to release a driver compatible with 4.0. Read the link?

OpenGL is superior to DX and can do far more, mobile apps, 2D etc.

 

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Er, until recently OpenGL was massively behind DX, its only just about come up to par with DX11 features.

Nope, OpenGL has always been superior to DirectX/Direct3D. Even 10 years ago, Microsoft were in serious danger of loosing the gaming market entirely so they 'forced' developers (such as Bungie) to use it with a large pile of money hoping that would show what it was capable of. Of course, OpenGL has been capable of so much more but since it's an Open Source project by the Khronos Group they didn't have lots of money to spend on getting developers to use it, and so Microsoft once again creates a stupidly huge monopoly for itself with a somewhat inferior product.

If you're talking about OpenGL 3.2/DX11 then it could support tessellation through add ons and compute shader through OpenCL. Other than that it was still superior.

Has anybody run the Heaven benchmark with OpenGL 4.0 yet? Care to post results and visual commentary?

 

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http://www.geeks3d.com/20100527/tes...ion-gtx-480-vs-gtx-470-vs-hd-5870-vs-hd-5770/

Yeah OpenGL 4.0 is so superior that it's slower on both ATI and Nvidia cards, especially slow on ATI cards.

That's because Heaven 2.1 really doesn't like the 10.5 Cats. It's early days yet, and they're quite close but if you have a look down the comments...

Don’t forget NVIDIA paid/bribed/whatever Unigine to add ‘Extreme’ tesselation in Heaven 2.0

They did this when they launched the 480 so they could release benchmarks to show the 480’s “superior” tessellator over the 5870.

Rerun your benchmarks with “Normal” tesselation and see if ATI gets a lot closer to NVIDIA.

I remember we’ve ran unigine tropics throught gDebugger to see what it does in OpenGL rendering mode. And the results were…… strange. Unigine was doing some very useless work, like binding textures with 0×0 or 1×1 size, switching vertex buffers one after another without rendering, changing render states, also without rendering. But that was one-two years ago. Perhaps now everything works better.
Can anyone check that? gDebugger is available as a free trial for 7 days. It’s just i’m not able to do that right now.

 

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Superewza, have you done any graphics programming?

A little, i went through a book on OpenGL:ES a few years ago but i doubt i can remember much.

 

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Seems the "better made" OGL4 still has a little way to go against the evil DX11.

Thanks, more importantly how did they look?

 

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Since when was an average of 50-60fps in a very intensive test 'sucking'?

 

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And why on earther would a linux user want to touch ATI with a barge pole I don't know.

Meh, they're driver support has come on leaps and bounds in the past few years, and nVidia have really dropped the ball in terms of releasing decent cards for reasonable prices.