Openreach to be legally separate from BT

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Certainly a step in the right direction and needed to have been done a long time ago IMO.

However, it won't solve problems over night. Especially considering BT will still be control their budget. :rolleyes:
 
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You must be joking nothing will change. Openreach are too much like BT. Separating them out wont make any difference apart from prices will go up. Speaking from one who has and is dealing with BT for WAN/Broadband for a long time and meant to be getting "better treatment" according to Vodafone etc they are kidding themselves.

Just today we have a depot 2 miles from centre of Huddersfield where the nearest exchange is. No FTTC. No FTTP. ADSL has dropped from 4mb to 2mb with an upload of 0.7mb. We have had Openreach investigating this for 6 months now within that 6 months Openreach have been onsite 4 times. Rest have been delays, excuses etc. Finally they have concluded its electrical inteference caused by an unknown source that is degrading the connection. Further wrangling has occured about turning this off and that off and at the end of it all BT in this area guarantee 1mb minimum so as we are getting 2mb case closed. There is no alternative. This is the service Openreach have provided us with, not BT Broadband. Are you seriously saying its going to get better. Makes me laugh on Radio 1 just now "are we going to get faster broadband now Openreach is splitting from BT". Makes me laugh.
 
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Nothing will change anytime soon.

It's only a legal box checking excersise. They're still heavily associated with BT.

It needs to be a total separation and even then it will take a long time for any real culture change within openreach.
 
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It won't make a difference. The only thing that will see Openreach lay more fibre is competition, and Ofcom messing around with regulated access prices is not the same thing as competition.

Fully separating Openreach won't do that either, they will still be a monopoly supplier. If Sky/Vodafone/TalkTalk etc. feel that they know the economics of getting fibre into the ground then why aren't they forming an infrastructure company, getting code powers and getting on with it?
 
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Maybe now they will start rolling out proper FTTP to a large number of people.

If you think that this will mean Openreach will lay more fibre you're deluded. The exercise of setting up this new company and the legal, branding and administration costs of the split will mean less money available to invest in the network.

If anything this is a backwards step as nothing will change except a lot of money being spent to appease a few people that think it's BT that pulls the string or has some preferential service from OR.
 

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I was quite excited about this until I saw that BT will still control the budget.

That kind of gives the game away.
 

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Maybe they should allow Openreach divisional managers more control over planning and implementing new fibre roll outs,see who can get what done the best for the least money and apply that nationally if possible?
 
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Nothing will change lol except for more milkage. They will be milking the 100 year old decaying copper lines for another 100 years minimum and charging everybody single house in the UK £30 per month just to "rent" them lol.

My line rental over the last 20 years could have paid for a dozen FTTP lines lol, but they just pocket everyone's line rental money yet keep milking the same old tech as long as possible.

This move will simply mean BT AND Openreach can separately start milking more money from us.
 
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Problem we also have is Ofcom can be weak knee'd. If they had forced BT to scrap the line rental charge a few years ago might be a different market now but they backed down and BT continue getting 100% profit out of Line rental charges.

Around £100 profit a minute BT making at the moment.
 
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Line rental charges from Openreach have been dropping year on year, the retail providers have been using increased line rental charges to lower the cost of broadband and hence get smaller numbers on the adverts, or to make it 'free'. And yes, BT as a retail provider are also guilty of this.

Sky like to talk about how total separation of Openreach is all about a noble cause of enabling a greater fibre deployment, but they haven't been able to back this claim up at any point - they trialled building a fibre network in York and declared the economics to not be viable. Any ISP that complains about the state of FTTP deployment and doesn't show any interest in existing Openreach FTTP products deserves further scrutiny of the reasons why they might be keen to put out press releases slamming Openreach whenever there's an opportunity. What Sky want is somebody else to front the cost of building an FTTP network, and for them to have regulated access to it. Failing that, legislation that gives BT less cash to bid for football rights is also OK by them. Never at any point believe that the claims from Vodafone/TalkTalk/Sky that their obsession with seeing Openreach split out from BT is about anything other than business.

Changing the ownership of Openreach from wholly-owned by BT to part owned by BT will not improve service, because there's no incentive to improve if you're still a monopoly provider. Openreach are far from perfect, but fiddling around with who owns them and what the prices are going to be regulated at does nothing for making large scale fibre deployments any more cost effective.
 
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Has anyone else seen Kim Mears (Managing Director Infrastructure Delivery) of Openreach being passed around the BBC outlets this morning?

Just another busy body 'project manager' who is completely detached from the technological aspect of the service and the real world experiences of users.
 
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