OPPO ceases making new products
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The Xbox 1 X can't decode the colours right when playing a 4K HDR disc. The UB900 tramples all over it.
And if you can't see the difference, then you have never used a UB900
I haven't used one no. I did a check on youtube to see what was discussed on there. I saw a fella doing a comparison and it he did conclude the oppo player was much better but he also said it kinda required having them sitting side by side. For most people they would still be very impressed by the Xbox in isolation.
I get that dedicated players are better but it's diminishing returns.
Home Cinema always is.
"ven if you selected the ‘YCC Output’ mode in the Xbox One X/S menus, the console still, bizarrely, converted the video first to RGB, and then back to YCbCr. And the more conversion processes a video signal has to go through, the more imperfections it’s likely to pick up along the way."
"I’ve not yet had the chance to put Microsoft’s latest Xbox One system update to the test myself,"
Says it all really. Jack of all trades, skilled at none
They will always be better.
Panasonic does alright on the high end players. The problem with the OPPO was, it wasn't as good as the UB900 and has\had problems.
The issue is that the market for high end physical media players is tiny and Panasonic have other divisions keeping them afloat.
And I did just say I get that dedicated players are better. Not sure why you put what I said in bold??
I kind of agreed with you
I've tried Dolby Vision from Netflix and I'm not that impressed with it. Will be keeping the UB900 for a bit longer.
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I kind of agreed with you
I've tried Dolby Vision from Netflix and I'm not that impressed with it. Will be keeping the UB900 for a bit longer.
What tv are you using?
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The xb1's handling of YCbCr is it's only fault if we're not considering secondary points like the transport and noise of the system. Luckily, you won't notice it unless it's side by side with a player that does it properly like the ub900. Otherwise, the xb1 performance is rock solid. I seem to remember Vincent Teoh (hdtvtest) even rated its upscaling better than the ub900.
It's a shame OPPO are leaving the market but thats the way it goes. For a company who's chassis are the basis of.some many other players, it doesn't make much sense to me why they wouldn't be in a good position financially but who knows what's gone on there.
It's a shame OPPO are leaving the market but thats the way it goes. For a company who's chassis are the basis of.some many other players, it doesn't make much sense to me why they wouldn't be in a good position financially but who knows what's gone on there.
at £150/£200 for ub400/ub900 yes I would not skimp and get an xbox .. transport reliability+noise, as I said, are big players (still own noisy pc blue ray drive).
would not have paid the original >£400 though.
edit: its circuit boards + components are up there with oppo - french teardowns
edit2: porn http://www.hdfever.fr/2016/07/07/test-panasonic-dmp-ub900/
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would not have paid the original >£400 though.
edit: its circuit boards + components are up there with oppo - french teardowns
edit2: porn http://www.hdfever.fr/2016/07/07/test-panasonic-dmp-ub900/
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This is the bitstream captured from an xbox one x console
1100101010111000011010101011100100101001100010101110001010101010
and this is from a dedicated 4k player
1100101010111000011010101011100100101001100010101110001010101010
as you can see, the dedicated 4k player is far superior
1100101010111000011010101011100100101001100010101110001010101010
and this is from a dedicated 4k player
1100101010111000011010101011100100101001100010101110001010101010
as you can see, the dedicated 4k player is far superior
So it looks like the Cambridge Audio CXUHD is the same as the OPPO player.
They bot use the same (crap)Soc.
https://techsupport.cambridgeaudio....33.732183275.1523002573-1860784789.1523002573
At least OPPO has their phones(oneplus) to fall back on. And how long Cambridge will sell the 4K player is anyone's guess
They bot use the same (crap)Soc.
https://techsupport.cambridgeaudio....33.732183275.1523002573-1860784789.1523002573
At least OPPO has their phones(oneplus) to fall back on. And how long Cambridge will sell the 4K player is anyone's guess
Shame, love my 203 
top quality product, both in performance and just how it looks and feels when you get it out the box. A lot of people simply don't care about picture quality and audio processing etc, so just play it on the cheapest player they can find and be done with it, which is fine, but it's a shame that it means we lose out on companies like this
top quality product, both in performance and just how it looks and feels when you get it out the box. A lot of people simply don't care about picture quality and audio processing etc, so just play it on the cheapest player they can find and be done with it, which is fine, but it's a shame that it means we lose out on companies like this 
Nice try, but it's not the same. The xbox one messes up its read of the colour. It changes the data output. That's the whole point of much of this thread.
Another point is that within the data conversion process from what's on the disc to what comes out of the HDMI socket there is the scope to shape the signal in a positive way. I remember seeing ARCAM's first BD player. It managed to produce accurate black and yet dig out more shadow detail than any other BD player at the time thanks to a tweaked Gamma curve. The receiving displays of the time, be it TV or projector, couldn't achieve the same shadow detail retrieval using the standard picture controls without washing out the blacks too.
Believe me, I'd like nothing better than £75 BD Players and £150 UHD players to produce unassailable picture and sound quality, but it just ain't so.
I always thought the same as TheOracle stream of 1010 from the disk to the TV ie straight read and forward on to TV.
Would I be correct in thinking the difference is in the hw codec in the player adding effects (ie altering gamma curve in your example)?
Now as this is a 4k player thread how is hdr handled, by the player or decoded by the tv?
Would I be correct in thinking the difference is in the hw codec in the player adding effects (ie altering gamma curve in your example)?
Now as this is a 4k player thread how is hdr handled, by the player or decoded by the tv?
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Well, it's already been explained but the xb1 maps YCrCb to RGB incorrectly resulting in hues being subtly incorrect. The problem is even when YCrCb output is enabled, the xb1 still converts to RGB internally first so it emds up doing YCrCb > RGB > YCrCb using the wrong mapping table. It's not something youre likely to notice unless side by side with a player that handles it properly but its there nonetheless and will forever be used to justify the cost of more expensive players 
It's much the same as with Blu-ray players. The more basic models provide little or no scope to tweak the picture settings. The better players provide far more control.
All the current Panasonics allow fairly comprehensive control of the picture settings; gamma for both the shadow and highlight portions of the gain curve, brightness, contrast, colour saturation, tint and even sharpness. I've calibrated so many systems where the TV or the projector can be dialled in so far with a reference test pattern generator, but to really get the whole system to sing then a nudge one point either side of neutral on the player controls is all it needs to reveal that extra layer of colour gradation or to find that additional level depth that really marks the difference from fabulous to outstanding.
HDR to SDR conversion, and doing it on the fly, isn't done to the same quality in all players.
