Opting out of the 48 hour work week limit

This is what i'm going to do, just not send it back to them in the pack.

Chances are i'll probably work longer than 48 hours a week....but signing a waiver has no benefit to me :)

You need to sign it so that your employers don't break the law if you do work over those hours.
 
A lot of company's do this, it is so it does not leave them in a corner should a situation ever present itself where they need cover or extra staff to finish a project/task.

Either that or it is the sort of company that relies on long working hours constantly. If this is the case i would expect you to know already though as you have interviewed, asked and answered questions and successfully secured your position so have a good idea of what is expected of you in your role?

If you do not sign the form though, it will give a pretty good idea to your employer of what you commitment is to the role, I am not saying you should sign it just that you should be aware of the impression it gives if you do not.
 
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I opted out of the WTD in the belief I could choose to work longer if I wanted. I've now been told that was incorrect and with a big network upgrade starting soon I'll be expected to work 250 hours overtime in November and December without pay or time in lieu.

Think I know the answer but I'm screwed aren't I? :(
 
A great attitude to. Have if you don't want promotions and don't want glowing references.

It depends entirely on the line of work and company if it's actually of any benefit to do the overtime though.

A job you hate and an employer that would poo all over you given half a chance? Why bother.

A job with genuine prospects and a healthy working environment? Sure, why not!
 
Thread hijack in progress...

I opted out of the WTD in the belief I could choose to work longer if I wanted. I've now been told that was incorrect and with a big network upgrade starting soon I'll be expected to work 250 hours overtime in November and December without pay or time in lieu.

Think I know the answer but I'm screwed aren't I? :(


Can opt back in with 7 days to 3 months notice depending on what agreement you have with the company regarding that - I'm betting they went for the full notice period though?
 
Yeah, it's 3 months.

Always been given time in lieu for any overtime I've done so I feel like I'm being taken advantage of now it's a big project.

Asking to opt back in basically says I'm not prepared to work any overtime which would look bad.

Only out I might have is that my WTD opt out was included in my contract when I joined the company and I've since had a promotion with a new job title but wasn't given a new contract to sign but that'll probably cause more problems than it's worth.
 
I opted out a long while ago and do 60-70 hours a week now but its set in stone i get 1 rest day a week and if i work my set rest day (Sunday usually but depends were in the world i am) i get my pick on which day i would like off :) Depends if your happy opting out i personally needed to part of my job is the stupid hours
 
I am in two minds about these forms now.
It used to be the case I would sign them and work, now I am of the opinion that if a job requires you to work longer than your contracted hours on a regular basis then as already mentioned above, they should employ another resource.
 
Back in the days when I worked for a multinational computer corporation, the day came when the opt-out forms for the working time directive were passed around. We were told that signing them was voluntary; but those who didn't sign would have to have an interview with personnel to discuss their "attitude" towards work.
 
******** to them. If you're contracted 40 hours a week and that is all the company is paying for, they don't get any more.

If they need more man power they should hire more people or pay you overtime, simple as.
 
Consider the options, I would sign it and then after a couple of years when your rights start to kick in you can then opt back into the 48 hours work time directive.

It could cause some pretty ill feeling towards you from the people you work with, If they are taking the slack from you not working more hours because you did not sign this then you will quickly be moved on.
 
If you're unable to manage your own working relationship and need the state to do it for you, don't sign it. If you want flexibility and are confident of your ability to manage the relationship yourself, sign it and then you can work more if you so desire.
 
I have signed one of these. I am on a salary, but my contract states that overtime may be required as business needs demand it. That said, it also states that any hours worked as overtime will be paid in addition to my salary.

Yes, I can and do work long hours sometimes, but anything over 42hrs a week is paid extra, so it has actually come in really handy over the years and helped to pay for all sorts.

I think that the work regime where I work is OK, and although overtime is technically required as part of my contract, it is actually contractually only 1 weekend out of 3, and even then only one day of that weekend.

They cannot contractually force me to do more, but I often willingly do so as the extra money comes in handy.

I suppose the bottom line is it really all depends on your contract and the work ethos of the company. I feel I am lucky that I get paid extra for overtime, even though I am on a salary. But they understand that I do not work for free, and nor should I.

I would read your contract very carefully, and if it refers to separate documents, make sure you read those as well. But as others have said, you can opt in an opt out as you wish. However, some places I know of believe that if you are not working free overtime every day, you have the wrong 'attitude'.

Personally that view really annoys me as I dont work for free. If there is work to be done, I will happily do it but if the company is getting paid by clients for said work, then I should in turn be paid by my employer for undertaking the work. If a company requires regular overtime for 'free' then unfortunately I dont think they are a good company, both in their outlook or resource management.
 
Thread hijack in progress...

I opted out of the WTD in the belief I could choose to work longer if I wanted. I've now been told that was incorrect and with a big network upgrade starting soon I'll be expected to work 250 hours overtime in November and December without pay or time in lieu.

Think I know the answer but I'm screwed aren't I? :(

I trust your contract says you can work up to those many extra hours unpaid? If you signed it, and assuming it doesn't bring you below minimum wage, then yes you are.
 
don't sign and see what they say; if it's not important to them they'll not pursue it

personally i wouldn't want to sign it, money is no good if you've no time to spend it
 
Thread hijack in progress...

I opted out of the WTD in the belief I could choose to work longer if I wanted. I've now been told that was incorrect and with a big network upgrade starting soon I'll be expected to work 250 hours overtime in November and December without pay or time in lieu.

Think I know the answer but I'm screwed aren't I? :(

If you don't mind really annoying the management then opt back in and tell them the EU says no.
 
Salaried here, but our overtime is simply 'time'. Not 1.5x, 2x or 3x. We don't even get OT/time-in-lieu for travel time - which is a sickening as it is a 1hr commute there, and same back.

Most months i'm putting in about 40hrs extra; my record was 87hrs extra which frankly nearly killed me!

A guy at my place opted out of the WTD, yet I didn't... we both work the same times and overtimes usually too...
 
Every company i've worked for have hated me. I make sure of it.

I refuse to do any extra hours. I dont care if it's double pay, triple pay or what ever they want to offer. I've no interest.

HAHAHAHA.

I'm not sure what's more amusing, that you have such a poor work ethic or that you work in such a rubbish job that you don't enjoy it enough to have a good work ethic :D
 
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