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Ordered the x2 3800+ today...What to expect?

I dont take prime stability too much to heart.

For example, my Opteron 175 fails prime at a humble 230FSB and yet, nothing else causes it to crash.

Its been running stable at 275FSB for 2 weeks now. and games etc run just fine.

Mostly that PC is purely a folding setup that I occasionaly use to encode vids etc while im in the LAN room.

So, if I was to rely on Prime, Id never have had any use at all.

This has been the case for a good many of my PCs - NOTHING can get them to give me any kind of issues at all, but Prime them and they fail well below what they are at!!!

Prime stable is a good thing for sure, but its not the be all and end all...
If you rely on it, then more fool you, but if you use it to help guide your stability levels, then thats fine.

I for one have not bothered takign it seriously for some years now, and only occasionally pull it out when Im bored... And Prime too!
 
FatRakoon said:
Im bored...
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Hey FatRakoon, didn't see you post in a while!

Yeah I understand what you say about prime but it works for me. What you gotta understand is that I don't always have the chance to sit down and give the PC a good testing by actually playing games and doing stuff, thats because I build quite a few machine to sell. I just have the built computers in a seperate room running stability tests. Once I've found a sweetspot for an overclock I will always run a prime tester for 12-24hours, as I have my own seperate PC there is no inconvienience caused to me, I just continue getting on with things while the machine sits priming away in the spare room. I stick my head in once or twice a day to check up on my 'younglings'

Thats one of the reasons I like Orthos and Stressprime because when they fail the computer starts beeping (not great when I'm kipping lol).

Everyone has different standards on what they consider to be 'stable' and thats fine, my personal mantra regarding overclocking is "An overclocked computer should be able to perform the same tasks as a non overclocked computer but faster"

So in the case of people that just play a few games and encode a DVD everynow and then and their overclocked computer works fine (and is faster) then thats all good, I can't knock that.

I hear people say things like "I can run prime for hours but my PC will still reboot when I play game XYZ" etc and to that I can say its not just about the CPU and memory, there are hundreds of reasons a computer can reboot or freeze, bad PSU, bad drivers, something faulty etc etc etc

I will always use something like prime to test my systems, its good for me and its good for the other people that use prime as when they see a screenshot it goes along way to showing what you are saying and what is reality is loosely connected.

Crikey what a big post! :o
 
Big.Wayne said:
( EDIT ) Crikey ( MORE EDIT )
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I dont have the time to run Prime on my builds

Hence the game tests.

The thing I will admit though with many PCs and that is that you may build one PC and for all *** tests you think you can do for it, there may still be somehting or nothing left over that does not show its ugly mug until its gone out to the customer... Then, and only then, does it shows its head!

BAH!

the_jetsetwilly said:
what voltages/clock speed are people running please?:)
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I will have a check at mine... Do I still have it running ?

IIRC I was running it at 1.45 @ 2.5 the last time I looked, but that was only because I ran all my AMDs at 2.5 to compare them, because they could all do 2.5 very easily, plus, the HTT is rounded off here.
 
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Mr Paul said:
FatRakoon, OT I know, but do you happen to have a spare Falcon 030?
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Wow...

Billy Connolly, Ricky Gervais, Bill Bailey, Dylan Moran are all great comedians...

I think you're up there with them mate...

Know any more good ones like that?

Seriously though, no sorry, I dont.

My TT is a darling classic that I will not let go of... It used to belong to Joe connor ( You may or may not realise how much that means to me )

My Falcon is a basic effort, but with the CT63 @ 110Mhz, its also now the most powerful Atari I have ever owned... By a massive margin too!

I got a couple of Stock STs around you are welcome to, but no... Falcons sell on Ebay for hundreds, so no, I dont have any lying about no.

Sorry.
 
Mr Paul said:
FatRakoon, OT I know, but do you happen to have a spare Falcon 030?
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Mwhahahahaha...

nice one mate. LOL

Nah, if ya don't ask...

FatRakoon would part with the TT setup in the same way you would part with your internal organs. When he's dead, and not until...

The falcon aint far behind that. I've not seen his Falcon in full swing yet, but the TT setup is gorgeous... Amazing what can be done to what is an old Computer... but then Atari Programmers know what "efficient code" means...:p
 
No, I have had a change of heart.

You can have my Falcon mate... Its yours for free!
Just cover the postage though yeah?

£600 should just about cover the postage I recon.

Seriously though, the 3800 was not currently in a running PC, so, I cannot verify the actual settings I was running it at.

The Winchester 3200 however, is the closest CPU to the 3800 in that they are pretty much 100% identical in every way except single and dual core. ( Lets not get technical - its closest I have to each other I mean ) and that was running at 2.7 @ 1.475v and HTT at 3x and I threw the 3800 straight in without a BIOS reset and it got to the desktop just fine.

So, there it stands now... Its at 2.7Ghz ( 270FSB ) and 1.475v but thats not been pushed just yet... Its only standing.

I will run a few tests later on, and get back on the results

I am upgrading my Main LAN PC from Opteron to Conroe but the Mobo & CPU I have decided on, is an Abit AB9 and E2180 and so far, Im certainly NOT impressed over my Opteron... Im going to be runing some tests on those two aswell...
 
i run mine at 2.7 @ 1.4v in bios (1.376 in cpu-z) 270 x 10 - HT x 4

any higher and it wont stay stable regardless of voltage but that maybe a mobo issue.
 
I was thinking of doing exactly the same upgrade (64 3700+ to x2 3800+). I'm currently using the stock cooler I got with the 3700+, will this be alright for the x2 3800? I won't be overclocking.
 
spookywillow said:
i run mine at 2.7 @ 1.4v in bios (1.376 in cpu-z) 270 x 10 - HT x 4

any higher and it wont stay stable regardless of voltage but that maybe a mobo issue.
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Actually, drop the HT to x3

You need to get the HT as close but not over 1000 you see...

you have yours at 270x4 which is 1080 and this is over 1000

Drop it to x3 and it will be only 810 - well under the 1000

You might find that will allow you a tad more.

Might not, but at least it will be better all round.

Calexico said:
I was thinking of doing exactly the same upgrade (64 3700+ to x2 3800+). I'm currently using the stock cooler I got with the 3700+, will this be alright for the x2 3800? I won't be overclocking.
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The cooler will be fine mate.
As always, make sure your case has good ventilation too.
 
nah its completely stable at that HTT, i can drop it to 2x and it makes no difference to my max overclock.

my mobo just isn't stable over 273 fsb as lower mutli's on htt and cpu get me no higher than that fsb, its still fast enough for the games i play :)
 
I just installed mine today. Its the best 30 quid I've spent in a while.

I managed to get 2.4ghz on my old 3200+ with very little tweaking, so I'm guessing I can get something similar on the 3800+ Since they are both 2.0ghz stock.
 
spookywillow said:
nah its completely stable at that HTT, i can drop it to 2x and it makes no difference to my max overclock.
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Ok, thats cool. Im not 100% on the HT myself TBH... Not noticed any difference on any of my AMDs between 1 and 5 on an unclocked PC, however, on some of them, if I forget to drop it, I get into trouble with stability, so it obviously does something... Im just still not convinced its all that important?

spookywillow said:
its still fast enough for the games i play :)
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To be quite honest with you, a stock x2 3800 is fast enough for the latest games out there too! - I got couple of mates running 3800 Systems and they take their gaming very seriously and they play COD4, Hellgate, BF2 with loads of big maps and mods, crysis and so on, all just fine and dandy and dont get any glitches or slowdowns at all.

Sure, a faster CPU will make *** games smoother I suppose, but if the games are already smooth as silk... How would you know?

Frame rates may go up, but if the PCs is twiddling its thumbs while doing them anyway, whats the diff?
 
i love my 939 3800+ x2... it was running at the details in my sig :)

Tho its now at 2841.9Ghz... :)

Mines a JH-E6 revision :)

10x Multi
284.2 Bus speed
HT Link 1136.7 (im sure thats at 4x in the bios)
Quite sure i put vcore up 1 notch... 0.25v? i cant remember lol
 
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