**** Original Starcraft 2 Thread ****

Milkybk said:
Funny how it happens :p. I really want to start working my way up my Diamond ladder. Competition is a lot harder now, much better practice!

Yeah I really want to get the tourny going, I think me and Robhu are playing on Sunday if you want to watch mate.
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Yeah im up for that, my missus is up for the weekend but im sure i can find her something to do for a while haha!

Yeah competition is always hard ^^ although have been enjoying ZvZ much more recently.

Want to get my Hydralisk portrait though, bored of looking at a baneling!
 
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Indie said:
this is where your timings come in. If you see an early scout, then start preparing for something cheesey... or at least expect it. If he's just pumping marines, then spine crawler his ass. marines don't touch em. also don't forget your lings for distracting him... remember, don't lose your units, just dance around him so it confuses him. buying you time to get your spines up, and eventually you'll be able to 1 base sling/bling his ass... pure marines gets slaughtered fairly easy.. even if he mixed in marauders its game over for him, because you'd still have a massive economical advantage.

EDIT: if i havn't answered the question or have jsut confused the hell out of you ^^, post the replay and i'll watch it when i get home tonight :)
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No that makes sense and such, I just am struggling to get my head properly round zerg at the moment.

The Queen; do you use her creep ability at all, or just her..er whats the one that creates more lava..?
 
platypus said:
No that makes sense and such, I just am struggling to get my head properly round zerg at the moment.

The Queen; do you use her creep ability at all, or just her..er whats the one that creates more lava..?
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He does ... Dirty rotten zergy. Spews that vile slime right up to my natural...
 
kar said:
I'm playing for the tassadar portrait.

740 odd more wins to go :(

Craftcup tonight though, anyone else playing?

http://www.bitsperbeat.com/sc2/
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Ahh i always forget about craftcup :(

Can't play tonight unfortunatly as im going for an 8 Mile walk around Cannock Chase.. god knows what im in for.

platypus said:
No that makes sense and such, I just am struggling to get my head properly round zerg at the moment.

The Queen; do you use her creep ability at all, or just her..er whats the one that creates more lava..?
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The Queen is a wonderful unit and really adds a nice aspect to Zerg which it didn't have in SC:BW.

i cannot remember what the ability is called, but you can spew slime over your hatchery, which gives you a bunch more larva after like 20-30 seconds (i forget actual timing) This is effectivly the Zergs main macro ability.
Terran have Reactors and Mules
Protoss have Chrono Boost and Warpgates.
Zerg have the Queens spawn larva ability. This keeps them in check with the other two races. Albeit, much much harder to use!

As you mentioned, the other ability, Spawn Creep Tumor. should be used once or twice by your Queen. use it and put it towards the edge of your Creep (purple goo stuff on the floor), what this does is increases the amount of creep in that area. Once you spawn one, you can then spawn other Creep Tumors by selecting the one you have just layed down and placing another one. Its fairly obviouse.
In turn, this effects how mobile your whole army can be (as Zerg units move faster on creep). You can also make it so that your Creep covers the whole map. Its very very useful.

If you get time, watch that BoxeR vs IdrA youtube video posted earlier by Kreeee, IdrA makes extreamly good use of Creep throughout the game, and you can see how much of a hinderance it is to the other player (who is a Terran GOD btw)



kar said:
He does ... Dirty rotten zergy. Spews that vile slime right up to my natural...
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Mwuahhha you love it when im right up your natural! stop complaining!
 
Just played 1v1 against someone who lagged out every 2 seconds but not for long enough for the timer to go down. So damn annoying and theres no penalty for it yet i cant quit out because ill lose points. Its ridiculous.
 
Can someone explain to me how that craft cup thing works? Fancy having a crack at it (I'm high plat) so maybe give the lite one a go. When are the matches, how is it co-ordinated etc? Read their website but it doesn't seem to go into too much detail?
 
frankmcg said:
Can someone explain to me how that craft cup thing works? Fancy having a crack at it (I'm high plat) so maybe give the lite one a go. When are the matches, how is it co-ordinated etc? Read their website but it doesn't seem to go into too much detail?
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- Create an account and login
- Hit "Sign Up"
- just be online for the time the cup is (not sure without looking)
- You normally have to "Check In" 30 mins before the Start. you do this on the website :)
- you check website at start time, it will give you an oppanant.
- find them on bnet and play them
- winner then posts the replay on the website, loser confirms the result

(that was how it worked last time i played!)


It works like a normal tournament.. Games are BO1 untill out of the group stages, i think?
 
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Could someone explain to me when there are strategies out there with numbers, what do the numbers relate to because they generally start 1-10 as normal but then often skip a few numbers. I assume it's build order but how do the numbers relate?
 
Bleek said:
Could someone explain to me when there are strategies out there with numbers, what do the numbers relate to because they generally start 1-10 as normal but then often skip a few numbers. I assume it's build order but how do the numbers relate?
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i would imagin that being the population of the build... your population indicator is often used for timings. for example

9/11 - SCV
10/11 - SCV
10/11 - Supply Depot
12/19 - Barracks (the gap between 11-12 indicates "fill with SCV's"... so build 2 more, then build a barracks)
15/19 - Orbital Command (build SCV's untill your population is 15/19 then upgrade to Orbital Command.

If it doesnt make sence i'll try to simplify! :)
 
Indie said:
- Create an account and login
- Hit "Sign Up"
- just be online for the time the cup is (not sure without looking)
- You normally have to "Check In" 30 mins before the Start. you do this on the website :)
- you check website at start time, it will give you an oppanant.
- find them on bnet and play them
- winner then posts the replay on the website, loser confirms the result

(that was how it worked last time i played!)


It works like a normal tournament.. Games are BO1 untill out of the group stages, i think?
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Cool thanks. Looks like it starts at 6pm tonight though, so don't think I'm going to be in on time. From experience are most of the players in the lite cups diamond level? Guess there's one way to find out if I can handle it!
 
Indie said:
i would imagin that being the population of the build... your population indicator is often used for timings. for example

9/11 - SCV
10/11 - SCV
10/11 - Supply Depot
12/19 - Barracks (the gap between 11-12 indicates "fill with SCV's"... so build 2 more, then build a barracks)
15/19 - Orbital Command (build SCV's untill your population is 15/19 then upgrade to Orbital Command.

If it doesnt make sence i'll try to simplify! :)
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You'd normally put a 13 gas in there too!
 
frankmcg said:
Cool thanks. Looks like it starts at 6pm tonight though, so don't think I'm going to be in on time. From experience are most of the players in the lite cups diamond level? Guess there's one way to find out if I can handle it!
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their normally at Diamond level yes, theres some that arent though

but best way to improve is to play better players and get beat :)

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frankmcg said:
You'd normally put a 13 gas in there too!
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Silence! i was going for mass marine!! :p

you see.. this is why im a Zerg player! can't comprehend with getting gas at 13 and not 14! :p
 
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Indie said:
i would imagin that being the population of the build... your population indicator is often used for timings. for example

9/11 - SCV
10/11 - SCV
10/11 - Supply Depot
12/19 - Barracks (the gap between 11-12 indicates "fill with SCV's"... so build 2 more, then build a barracks)
15/19 - Orbital Command (build SCV's untill your population is 15/19 then upgrade to Orbital Command.

If it doesnt make sence i'll try to simplify! :)
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Ah I see. So the gaps represent SCVs.

(10) Supply Depot
(12) Barracks
(13) Refinery
(16) Orbital Command
(18) Factory
(21) Refinery
(26) Starport

So SCV = 11, 14-15, 17, 19-20 and 22-25?
 
Bleek said:
Ah I see. So the gaps represent SCVs.

(10) Supply Depot
(12) Barracks
(13) Refinery
(16) Orbital Command
(18) Factory
(21) Refinery
(26) Starport

So SCV = 11, 14-15, 17, 19-20 and 22-25?
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Not necessarily just SCVs, as once you've got the rax up you'll be building marines too. It's a measure of total population, so at 19 you might have 16 scvs and 3 marines
 
starting to get the hang of this. still not good but am winning games - can only assume the people i'm playing are dreadful.

had a funny one last night. TvT and oppo wiped out all my ground units and started on my base. I flew a barracks off and a factory the other way to safety. He continued destroying buildings then went of after my barracks which he found and took out.

Meanwhile i had 6 Banshees at the other side of the map. I cloaked up and destroyed his army and his entire base. Funny thing being he could have launched his buildings and i would have been screwed - maybe he wasnt aware that building destruction = win.

I'm finding real success with cloacked Banshees. I'm in Bronze and most players dont seem to produce any detector units/buildings. If i can get 5 or 6 its usually game over.
 
Bleek said:
Ah I see. So the gaps represent SCVs.

(10) Supply Depot
(12) Barracks
(13) Refinery
(16) Orbital Command
(18) Factory
(21) Refinery
(26) Starport

So SCV = 11, 14-15, 17, 19-20 and 22-25?
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thats pretty much it. Early build orders, its generally SCV's.. up untill your barracks is complete, then it can change to say.. Marines or Marauders..

but normally if people are posting extended build orders, they will tell you what units you need at X population

Skillmister said:
Indie can you share one or two of your usual build orders. I'm starting to play zerg and loving it but havnt really got a build order going yet.
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I can indeed, Although, i only really use one opening which has already been posted. Its the only build i've found to be consistant in terms of safety and aggresive play. Its a nice balance. However, i will post some more risky or experimental ones for you shortly :)

Infect, theres a lovely chap on these forums thats greating a website for just build orders. he's asked me to input my Zergy goodness into his site before its launched (which i think is soon) so you'll be able to view them on there too, saves trauling through the forums!

I'll try compiling a build order shortly or later tonight :)
 
feedtheram said:
I'm finding real success with cloacked Banshees. I'm in Bronze and most players dont seem to produce any detector units/buildings. If i can get 5 or 6 its usually game over.
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Yes any decent player will have a detector up pretty quickly vs T. P will build a quick robo->observer, Z will have a spore crawler before they tech up to get overseers if they get sight of a starport+cloak.

Of course if they don't scout it, it's often gg even at higher levels. Is nice when that happens :)
 
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