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i fail to see some peoples ethos in this game sometimes. last night it was a TvZ (me T), he tried to early zerling rush whilst i 3 raxed, his initial push failed. so i was feeling a bit risky and decided to see if i could build a barracks at this exp point which failed which he lolled at.....

so i was feeling a bit annoyed at his arrogance so decided to push with about 15 marines fully expecting to get countered hard, i managed to kill his zerglings with 4 marines remaining and then he just quit? wtf? why? he could have got another 4 zerglings out and held my push and then regrouped....i just dont get it.


Maybe idra rage is rubbing off on some people/// chuckle chuckle.

anyway he was a bit of a dick, anyone that lols at a risky strat that takes some balls deserved to get kicked out the game....as iv said before the game wont develop if all people do is the same strats they watched on youtube.
 
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iamtheoneneo said:
i fail to see some peoples ethos in this game sometimes. last night it was a TvZ (me T), he tried to early zerling rush whilst i 3 raxed, his initial push failed. so i was feeling a bit risky and decided to see if i could build a barracks at this exp point which failed which he lolled at.....

so i was feeling a bit annoyed at his arrogance so decided to push with about 15 marines fully expecting to get countered hard, i managed to kill his zerglings with 4 marines remaining and then he just quit? wtf? why? he could have got another 4 zerglings out and held my push and then regrouped....i just dont get it.


Maybe idra rage is rubbing off on some people/// chuckle chuckle.

anyway he was a bit of a dick, anyone that lols at a risky strat that takes some balls deserved to get kicked out the game....as iv said before the game wont develop if all people do is the same strats they watched on youtube.
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Best to ignore such players :p. It's very easy to get annoyed in Starcraft, and Idra's an excellent example of a pro who's certainly not immune to that, or especially bothered about hiding it ;)

Also you're right, it's good to try different (perhaps seemingly risky) strategies. You may find that it's not only perfectly safe, but also very strong. On the other hand, you may find you get roflstomped every single time. Either way, it gives a better feel for the core of the game.

Would be very dull to just watch matches played by WhiteRa/Fruitdealer/theStc and try to copy them exactly :p

Regardless, the game will still develop though. As long as the top-diamond pro players are playing, they'll always be thinking about new and more interesting ways to kill their opponent. As soon as these are revealed in casts, they'll trickle down to the lower levels. Soon, everyone will be doing them :)


kar said:
I've lost to it (at diamond level). Scouted it, but I didn't react appropriately. I thought some zealots would be fine. They aren't. The SCVS that accompany the rush really bug out the zealot AI.

Best way to counter it is stalkers+ a couple probes to stop it landing. Basically have a couple probes following his cc so it's always underneath so it can't land or at worst, delays its landing. That should buy you enough time to get immortals out, or at least a sizeable stalker count.

It's pretty easy to scout so you know it's coming. Basically if you see an early engineering bay (with your 9/12/13 scout), gear up for it.

I've had it tried on me a few times since, once 1v1 diamond, other times in 2v2s and it's failed miserably. I think one of those games was with Alex? Or Sniffy? Anyway much LOLOLOL once you know how to react.
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heh, dont think I've ever actually been PF rushed in beta or since release :D

will keep that response in mind though should it ever come :p
 
Is there any downloadable content for sc2 that you can buy? Such as the thor in game avatar that came with the collector's edition. Wouldn't mind funking some of my units up.
 
Can someone post some diamond level T v P games? I am pretty close to giving up, I am pretty sure i outplay my toss opponent, get some decent harras on the go and expand and then i just lose.

Terran 65% win rate
Zerg 70% win rate
Toss.......I don't remember the last time I won....maybe Tuesday?

Watching the replays, toss uses cronoboost to get a better econ faster and then I just smash my units aginst his then he wins. I honestly think T v P is broken (there is a thread with a similar conclusion on the team liquid forums).

Edit - if you disagree fine but post a replay if you want me to pay attention, don't just insult me.
 
If you are moaning about protoss being overpowered you should be the one posting the replays. There are so many things you could be doing wrong: timings, unit compositions, build orders, SCV production, bad harassment etc.

If it's colossi giving you problems you have too many marines/ too few vikings. If it's storm you should be scouting it and getting ghosts. If it is straight up gateway units (unlikely) then its probably your macro.

I had the same problem against zerg a while back. I would literally lose every game I played. Have a good look at your replays and try and find out what is really losing you the game. It's nothing to do with chronoboost- if he is using it on probes he isn't using it on production facilities. You have mules which let you keep up on income (easily).
 
Aloreth said:
Can someone post some diamond level T v P games? I am pretty close to giving up, I am pretty sure i outplay my toss opponent, get some decent harras on the go and expand and then i just lose.

Terran 65% win rate
Zerg 70% win rate
Toss.......I don't remember the last time I won....maybe Tuesday?

Watching the replays, toss uses cronoboost to get a better econ faster and then I just smash my units aginst his then he wins. I honestly think T v P is broken (there is a thread with a similar conclusion on the team liquid forums).

Edit - if you disagree fine but post a replay if you want me to pay attention, don't just insult me.
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http://www.sc2rep.com/?s_race=pvt

take your pick of any of those =)

Also, the one tip I can give (i've switched to zerg now since I find protoss ridiculously dull) is to try to win in the early game, since later on you'll have a much tougher time against collosus and high templar.

edit: another thing you could try, since protoss nowadays are getting better and better at playing vs MMM, is to use some various other builds like banshees, 1 rax fact FE, etc etc.
 
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Aloreth said:
Can someone post some diamond level T v P games? I am pretty close to giving up, I am pretty sure i outplay my toss opponent, get some decent harras on the go and expand and then i just lose.

Terran 65% win rate
Zerg 70% win rate
Toss.......I don't remember the last time I won....maybe Tuesday?

Watching the replays, toss uses cronoboost to get a better econ faster and then I just smash my units aginst his then he wins. I honestly think T v P is broken (there is a thread with a similar conclusion on the team liquid forums).

Edit - if you disagree fine but post a replay if you want me to pay attention, don't just insult me.
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Really wish i could get the replays of me being smashed by PuReBall in PvT :p

Ok, economy wise, by now you're aware mules are pretty much 100% necessary to stay at least even with a protoss. Generally I find that it's very tough to stay ahead of a muling terran who is also building scvs in the long run (remember that once a protoss mineral line is saturated with probes it can't be extended, while a terran mineral line can still be supplimented with mules).

In terms of units, it's all about how you compose you're army. Whether you're teching to ghosts, vikings or even thors, or just sticking to 100% MMM, should be tailored to the protoss army.

Hopefully some of the protoss superheroes on the forum will have some good losses to share :) but tbh maybe it'd be good if you post some replays of you losing in TvP. There are some excellent players on this forum ready to advise on your gameplay.


Minato said:
..Also, the one tip I can give (i've switched to zerg now since I find protoss ridiculously dull) is to try to win in the early game, since later on you'll have a much tougher time against collosus and high templar.

edit: another thing you could try, since protoss nowadays are getting better and better at playing vs MMM, is to use some various other builds like banshees, 1 rax fact FE, etc etc.
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I would disagree with this. Pure MMM isnt supposed to be a lategame composition. Likewise, neither is pure Zealot/Stalker/Sentry. The units that get added by protoss should be countered by Terran, likewise the other way around.

Nick has already given some good examples. I would suggest that either your macro on and/or beyond two bases is lacking or the units you're building arent appropriate to take on the Protoss tech. It's true (for example) that Psi Storm can deal enormous amounts of damage to an MM ball, but then a well placed EMP can render that totally null.
 
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Indie said:
but wouldnt that take the point of the collectors edition away?
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Yeah, I don't care about paying for a name change.

But I would hate it if people were buying skins for units or you had to pay £10 for extra maps and stuff like that. Think I would stop playing.
 
Aloreth said:
Can someone post some diamond level T v P games? I am pretty close to giving up, I am pretty sure i outplay my toss opponent, get some decent harras on the go and expand and then i just lose.

Terran 65% win rate
Zerg 70% win rate
Toss.......I don't remember the last time I won....maybe Tuesday?

Watching the replays, toss uses cronoboost to get a better econ faster and then I just smash my units aginst his then he wins. I honestly think T v P is broken (there is a thread with a similar conclusion on the team liquid forums).

Edit - if you disagree fine but post a replay if you want me to pay attention, don't just insult me.
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I'd prefer to see your replays tbh, from what i've heard, and played.. Terran seems to just walk all over Protoss in the early game.

Post some replays of your losses and we can tell you what you need to be doing to improve.

One main thing is that if your losing constantly, is your not using the correct counters, which could be a result to a lack of scouting? Maybe even micro/macro issues. Also, with better scouting you can adjust to protoss army composition better.

You said that you just mash your units into his, never good for a Terran player to do that with MM. your letting Zealots hit you for free. just micro them and they can't touch you... the Stalkers/Sentry are then yours for the taking.

Try alternating your play a little, i've had some success with Banshee/Viking. quite micro intensive but its very effective. The idea is that you scan for his observers, vikings take them out, leaving your banshees to mop up.

This leaves them having to tech up and be contained at the same time. Its very similar to the old brood war Lurker/scourge contain.. but allows you to take the lead economically.

Also, Ghosts are your friend, such an OP unit.
nex20 said:
Yeah, I don't care about paying for a name change.

But I would hate it if people were buying skins for units or you had to pay £10 for extra maps and stuff like that. Think I would stop playing.
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Yeah totally, i can understand paying for a name change really, keeps people to one account.. and well just makes sence.

Thankfully i don't think we'll ever see us having to buy extra maps, mainly due to how huge the game is, they would find it very hard to implement paying for maps, SC is all about everybody having equal opportunity to play.

I think we'll be seeing some new exclusive skins in future collectors editions, as well as maybe at blizzard special events as an alternative to a WoW pet?

Alex74 said:
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lol just checking these.. first one i see is the back of my head! ^^
 
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This MLG has been amazing. So many good players.

And the best part - team liquid are dominating. Tyler, Ret, Jinro, TLO and Huk all in the top 12. Tyler is doing amazingly well, he's just knocked out Ret a few minutes ago and Select in the last round.

Also, I'm pretty sure TT1 has the best PvZ outside of Korea. He's killing every Z at MLG. Just beat Machine and knocked TLO to the losers bracket earlier.
 
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