That's true. I'm currently in top of my plat league at the moment after my break. Even though most of my opponents are diamond, during the game you can only tell there league from a bout the 10minute mark. Plat openings (especially cheese are strong). If you do something to put them off, it generally spirals out of control and they mess everything up.
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That's true. I'm currently in top of my plat league at the moment after my break. Even though most of my opponents are diamond, during the game you can only tell there league from a bout the 10minute mark. Plat openings (especially cheese are strong). If you do something to put them off, it generally spirals out of control and they mess everything up.
My general theory on the game when it comes to Terran and Protoss players is that at a low level it's perfectly possible to learn a pro opening and execute it pretty flawlessly. This means often in Gold/Platinum/Diamond you can end up facing some GM level openings from people who obviously aren't GM.
The key here is to unsettle them or to survive the early aggression (almost all builds they memorise like this are early aggression/cheese builds).
If you can unsettle them and they build an SCV when they shouldn't, or you force them to build a bunker or cannon they didn't want to, their whole memorised build order falls to pieces and their main source of strength is gone.
I think the higher you go in the leagues the more important it is to unsettle people. There are plenty of players who have repeated high level pro aggression/cheese builds all the way up the ladder.
The key here is to unsettle them or to survive the early aggression (almost all builds they memorise like this are early aggression/cheese builds).
If you can unsettle them and they build an SCV when they shouldn't, or you force them to build a bunker or cannon they didn't want to, their whole memorised build order falls to pieces and their main source of strength is gone.
I think the higher you go in the leagues the more important it is to unsettle people. There are plenty of players who have repeated high level pro aggression/cheese builds all the way up the ladder.
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I was pretty busy over the weekend so I couldn't watch it live
I've watch most of the VOD's today though, some great games in there, loving Thorzains use of Ghosts
I feel dirty.
Spent all weekend getting up to 2nd in my Gold league, then hit one of those runs where I lost a number of games in a row, mostly through stupid decision making and loss of concentration. Ended up back down in 12th or something.
I've been so close to getting promoted. Oddly, I always seem to beat Plat players but can loose badly to Silver or Gold, go figure. Anyway, I reverted to a strategy that I used to get out of Bronze, more out of frustration than anything. Roughly:
11 Rax
12 Rax
16 OC
17 Rax
Hit them between 5.30 and 6.00 mins with 6 scv's and about 8 marines (with 2 rounds of 3 marines rallied to opps base). It is pretty much unstopable if you can stop it being scouted. I place 2 of the rax well out of scouting range but even if they see your no gas build but miss the tucked away (in natural) Rax, it's usually mistaken for a no gas 1Rax FE which is very common build. If it's scouted, you are well behind and in trouble.
Came close to being beaten by a bunker, but even that fell after the 2nd wave of marines arrived.
It's a half all in. You WILL do severe damage to the other side and goal is to take out at least 6 of their SCV's/probes/drones. Mostly, it's GG unless they've spammed units. If it all goes **** up, you've still got c.8 scv's and a mule and an expo on the way if you've macro'd well.
Works everytime against P (earlier you hit them the better), if Zerg FE's they die and with T it comes down to a bunker or not.
Honestly can't believe it works in gold. Need a shower.
Spent all weekend getting up to 2nd in my Gold league, then hit one of those runs where I lost a number of games in a row, mostly through stupid decision making and loss of concentration. Ended up back down in 12th or something.
I've been so close to getting promoted. Oddly, I always seem to beat Plat players but can loose badly to Silver or Gold, go figure. Anyway, I reverted to a strategy that I used to get out of Bronze, more out of frustration than anything. Roughly:
11 Rax
12 Rax
16 OC
17 Rax
Hit them between 5.30 and 6.00 mins with 6 scv's and about 8 marines (with 2 rounds of 3 marines rallied to opps base). It is pretty much unstopable if you can stop it being scouted. I place 2 of the rax well out of scouting range but even if they see your no gas build but miss the tucked away (in natural) Rax, it's usually mistaken for a no gas 1Rax FE which is very common build. If it's scouted, you are well behind and in trouble.
Came close to being beaten by a bunker, but even that fell after the 2nd wave of marines arrived.
It's a half all in. You WILL do severe damage to the other side and goal is to take out at least 6 of their SCV's/probes/drones. Mostly, it's GG unless they've spammed units. If it all goes **** up, you've still got c.8 scv's and a mule and an expo on the way if you've macro'd well.
Works everytime against P (earlier you hit them the better), if Zerg FE's they die and with T it comes down to a bunker or not.
Honestly can't believe it works in gold. Need a shower.
nice one - a few season ago i went thru a phase of being a total cheese monster - basically just sent 2 scv's to build 4 rax's near the opponents base but hidden away.
Pumped out marines and pushed with about 12 marines at the 7 min or under mark. It was cheesing of the highest order but in Bronze and silver it was hardly ever scouted so won loads of times. I then thought I should really work on some proper builds 1-1-1 or 1rax FE and so on but i'm probably about 50% win ratio with "proper" builds and about 90% win ratio with the 4 proxy rax's build!
Might have to go cheesing again for a while and see what happens!!
Exactly the same with me, i seem to beat plat's with ease for some reason, but lose to golds :S And nearly every terran -_- Just can't seem to beat them, only reason im not plat yet :'(
At what position are these Plat players at? As i was a Plat player at the beginning of my season 5 career but now i am bronze lol. Just goes to show some players get placed in the wrong league
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The worst thing when you're being cheesed is to miss something completely vital. Earlier on I was being 5-raxed and I'd have held it off if I FFed my ramp - alas, I warped my sentries in too close and they ended up dieing before they could get it off. Once you've missed your chance there's not much you can do to stop it.
I think that kind of Terran cheese is the most annoying, as it's not at all dependant on skill. You rally all your marines to the opponents base and if they don't keep you out, you have to do nothing but a-move. If they do keep you out, you've built too many barracks and are too far behind economically to transition out of it. There isn't really a middle ground.
I think that kind of Terran cheese is the most annoying, as it's not at all dependant on skill. You rally all your marines to the opponents base and if they don't keep you out, you have to do nothing but a-move. If they do keep you out, you've built too many barracks and are too far behind economically to transition out of it. There isn't really a middle ground.
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Yeah there a lot of it. I always seem to get people doing dt's or void ray rushing in plat. Constantly, I dont mind the easy wins though! I played a diamond guy the other day who only made marines on tal darim (literally like 25 barracks). He then went on to BM me and call zerg OP when banes/lings and infestors killed him :/
If he's making 25 barracks, then he ain't got the right to call zerg OP.
Thing is that the 25 marine barracks can be quite effective if the zerg doesnt have the economy to back up enough lings/banes/creep spread.. Without infestor it can be very hard to defend this without a solid macro. But OP? Nah, easy to defend if scouted
Thing is that the 25 marine barracks can be quite effective if the zerg doesnt have the economy to back up enough lings/banes/creep spread.. Without infestor it can be very hard to defend this without a solid macro. But OP? Nah, easy to defend if scouted
25rax may be a over-exaggeration. But he had low money and enough rax to support 3 base income
25rax may be a over-exaggeration. But he had low money and enough rax to support 3 base income
Pfft, real terrans transition to 4 base pure ghost play
Now that's OP (and so much fun!
)Question. Do all of you actually enjoy playing Starcraft? 1v1 that is. I personally love it even though I'm far from being really good at the game.
I seem to be noticing more and more lately that some people just really don't enjoy playing 1v1. And I ask myself, why does one play a game he does not enjoy? As someone once said (I don't remember who) If you do not enjoy the game, there is no chance of becoming good nor successful in it. Plus you're just wasting your time being unhappy.
I'm not talking about people in this thread directly btw I'm just generalizing.
I seem to be noticing more and more lately that some people just really don't enjoy playing 1v1. And I ask myself, why does one play a game he does not enjoy? As someone once said (I don't remember who) If you do not enjoy the game, there is no chance of becoming good nor successful in it. Plus you're just wasting your time being unhappy.
I'm not talking about people in this thread directly btw I'm just generalizing.