**** Original Starcraft 2 Thread ****

Must have been a dark templar. Yeah you need some missile towers up as soon as you scout it - you did scout it right! Quite a long tech tree to get to DTs. Alternatively if you had a starport plus techlab you could have got a raven - which is worth doing against protoss anyway usually given their awesome point defence drone vs stalkers. But you do need to know these things are coming - scans, holding the watch towers etc.

BTW, anyone plat or so level want to team up for some 2v2s? Stuck in silver league there as I keep getting teamed up with muppets - at least that's my excuse :)

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For anyone interested, I have very recently made a small site for submitting and viewing build orders. I found the problem was having to trawl through forum posts, or watch entire videos just to get the quick build order queue list.

The site allows you to submit build orders of your own, and look at other peoples that have already been submitted. The tech tree shows you currently unlocked units / buildings in blue, and unlocks them as you move along the tech tree.

http://www.starcraft2buildorder.net/

Anyways the site looks pretty basic at the mo, just wanted to get the thing working. As you can see I have a todo list on the main page, and any bug fixes or suggestions please PM me :)

I like this website, really good basic builds for new-mid players, been speaking to Mort about this for a couple of days now :) think hes doign a great job, just a few things to fix. Once its complete it will be an amazing resource :)

Speaking of UK tournaments, is anyone going to i41?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=158834

I know someone (Bling from i40 if anyone watched the stream for that) and he asked me if I was going, he's got no one else to go with. If you're going you should talk to him. He's extremely good too, so it should be fun watching him at the tourney.

When is i41?

I can't see TLnet at work, nor the i41 website :(

I think we should get a bunch of us together and go :) could be a good laugh!

Wasn't planning on going. But might do.

But Newbury...that's outside the M25 isn't it. I'm Australian, I don't go beyond the borders of the M25... =]

That explains why you have the Aussie flag on your CraftCup profile ;)

lets all go i41 :D
 
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So lets narrow down the problem.

Your problem with me is that I "rage-quit". I will explain this for the 3d of 4th time.
When I was the bunker I thought well this is ridicules this is a friendly match to show kar what I mean, why would I scout my base, I didn't even want to scout your base ( I don't remember if I did), it was not supposed to be a real match, and I thought to myself, yeah Kar said this is bs build, you don't think it works, why would I waste your time any longer, nobody wanted to be there including me. Indie you bloody see it yet or do I have to explain it for the 5th time?

My reply was directed to Kar so that he sees for sure what I meant and as he didn't reply I can safely assume he either didn't watch the replay or did watch the replay and thought it still wouldn't work, that satisfies me, he gave it a fair chance. And it was certainly not childish, you gave the impression to me that you don't particularly like me(don't deny it) so I said its childish of you to compromise the game by bunker rush (which would lead to a completely different game if I'd go through with it then what was tested).

Now my sole problem with you right now is your very rude and negative reply to my comment linking future patch plans which basically is telling me to get the hell out of here.

Now Indie, if my "stop terran hate" offended you I am sorry I didn't know one can insult somebody by evaluating ones behaviour and coming to such conclusion.

So it all comes to this, your ego was hurt when I said that you *MIGHT* hate the terran race or dislike me, was just guessing as I said in this post.

And I was insulted by your very very rude comment. Still can't see it indie?

and why I came back to link the statistics, minato and scott(not sure about scott) still think pvt is imbalanced and they talk big talk that toss have hard time in lower leagues. Now if you think my attemps to englithen those people is boosting my ego, you are arrogantly mistaken, each post in this thread is killing me, I do not enjoy it.
 
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I take it your Terran?

the Protoss unit was a Dark Templar (im assuming) - get yourself a missile turret as detectors in your base.
For a more mobile detector, upgrade your Command Centre and you will have the ability to do a Scanner Sweep :) this will detect any cloaked or burrowed units :)

EDIT: forgot about ravens! :D

OH MY GOSH! I Completely forgot about using the scanner sweep... DUH! :o:o:o
 
Always make sure you've got a Orbital Command hotkeyed :).

I just realised I never use the scanner sweep!

I won my last match because I had so many Thors but still, a scanner sweep of their base would have changed my approach entirely.
 
I quite like getting an early raven when fighting toss, keeps your army safe no matter where you move it. Just don't let it get destroyed too easily if your using it to harass, very costly replacing them too often!
 
I quite like getting an early raven when fighting toss, keeps your army safe no matter where you move it. Just don't let it get destroyed too easily if your using it to harass, very costly replacing them too often!

Yep, great way to go if you have a starport. Switch in a tech lab for a raven. Nullifies stalkers, which is ahuge pain for me, as i like sticking to a strong gateway army before i've expanded.
As with many things terran does though, HTs will stop this in its tracks. Honestly i think the most important 'special' unit to have is a ghost. A well placed emp can ruin a protoss' day, especially one like me who loves going HT.

Edit: also raven lets you kill observers to deny scouting. Still not sure how to get round that other than sacrificing an obs or phoenix..
 
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So lets narrow down the problem.

Your problem with me is that I "rage-quit". I will explain this for the 3d of 4th time.
When I was the bunker I thought well this is ridicules this is a friendly match to show kar what I mean, why would I scout my base, I didn't even want to scout your base ( I don't remember if I did), it was not supposed to be a real match, and I thought to myself, yeah Kar said this is bs build, you don't think it works, why would I waste your time any longer, nobody wanted to be there including me. Indie you bloody see it yet or do I have to explain it for the 5th time?

My reply was directed to Kar so that he sees for sure what I meant and as he didn't reply I can safely assume he either didn't watch the replay or did watch the replay and thought it still wouldn't work, that satisfies me, he gave it a fair chance. And it was certainly not childish, you gave the impression to me that you don't particularly like me(don't deny it) so I said its childish of you to compromise the game by bunker rush (which would lead to a completely different game if I'd go through with it then what was tested).

Now my sole problem with you right now is your very rude and negative reply to my comment linking future patch plans which basically is telling me to get the hell out of here.

Now Indie, if my "stop terran hate" offended you I am sorry I didn't know one can insult somebody by evaluating ones behaviour and coming to such conclusion.

So it all comes to this, your ego was hurt when I said that you *MIGHT* hate the terran race or dislike me, was just guessing as I said in this post.

And I was insulted by your very very rude comment. Still can't see it indie?

and why I came back to link the statistics, minato and scott(not sure about scott) still think pvt is imbalanced and they talk big talk that toss have hard time in lower leagues. Now if you think my attemps to englithen those people is boosting my ego, you are arrogantly mistaken, each post in this thread is killing me, I do not enjoy it.


I still think, in my opinion, leaving the game like that was pointless. and very bad mannered. Its not that, you're trying a build then surely you want it to be tested. If i see a ramp not scouted and im there with a marauder and SCV, who wouldn't build a bunker. Its not that i wanted to prove you wrong at all, I'd prefer you to be right to be honest, i like seeing new ideas come out. i just think there was no need, you could have just gone again and said.. ''dont rush me, do X build and sit in your base" or you know.. words to that effect, and i'd do it again, without the agressive play. I understand your point, but it was not the case at all. you never at all told me not to be agressive, you jsut told me to do a standard 3 rax build, which i did.

In regards to me hating you.. i don't hate you, I dislike what you've posted on here SINCE that post. but prior to that, i actually liked your enthusiasm for new ideas and your view on the game etc...

Yes, fair enough you linked the patch notes, but previous to that, i.e the main part of the post, was a dig at the Protoss v Terran gameplay discussion. which was why you left the forums or quit the game (whatever you did) in the first place.

Stop Terran Hate... This does not offend me. I just don't understand why you'd think that. you seem to jump to conclusion very quickly. i guess we all do that sometimes though, i know i used to do it a lot when i was younger.

How does it hurt MY ego for you to say i hate Terran/yourself... It doesnt hurt me at all.. got nothing to do with me really.. I just don't like people jumping gun about my opinions, especially ones that are totally 110% false. you cannot deny that im afraid.

I am sorry for the rude comment, however i felt your "return" to the forum to be a bit bad mannered IN RELEATION to your last post before you left.

If it was just directed to just two people then theres no need in stating Protoss being OP... especially to two Protoss players. one of which you don't get on with.. Furthermore it obviously felt, to you, that you needed to post it to prove your point. which i can only see as arrogance? Thats just the way i am, and no matter how much you try and explain, i'll probs never change, Sorry if that is just a misconception.. but thats how it seemed, and im not the only one to take your post that way, especially after your absence.

If its killing you that much, don't post. you shouldn't have to post somewhere that you don't want too, nor read for that matter. Its a game at the end of the day, you should be enjoying it.. and the community to boot. ^^
 
I like this website, really good basic builds for new-mid players, been speaking to Mort about this for a couple of days now :) think hes doign a great job, just a few things to fix. Once its complete it will be an amazing resource :)



When is i41?

I can't see TLnet at work, nor the i41 website :(

I think we should get a bunch of us together and go :) could be a good laugh!



That explains why you have the Aussie flag on your CraftCup profile ;)

lets all go i41 :D

I am keen, I haven't been to a lan in about 5 years. Well basically ever since I have been in the UK :)

I need to confirm I can make it on those dates though and I think I might be in Germany in November.
 
Yep, great way to go if you have a starport. Switch in a tech lab for a raven. Nullifies stalkers, which is ahuge pain for me, as i like sticking to a strong gateway army before i've expanded.
As with many things terran does though, HTs will stop this in its tracks. Honestly i think the most important 'special' unit to have is a ghost. A well placed emp can ruin a protoss' day, especially one like me who loves going HT.

Edit: also raven lets you kill observers to deny scouting. Still not sure how to get round that other than sacrificing an obs or phoenix..

How do the mechanics of ravens PDD work?, i've never been sure about this.
im aware it stops Stalker fire, but does it do the same for Immortals/Sentry/Colossi ?

I am keen, I haven't been to a lan in about 5 years. Well basically ever since I have been in the UK :)

I need to confirm I can make it on those dates though and I think I might be in Germany in November.

awesome :D If its november theres a few dates i might have to avoid, will check the website when i get home! :)
 
indie, prove my point? I will repeat again I don't need to prove my point I know pvt is balanced, I am trying to explain that to people who don't think so.

So in my view you were rude, in your view I was rude. Good stuff

I said countless times that I think pvt is balanced, the statics show if anything that toss is OP and I wil repeat it again since you like that, I do not personally think so.

Stop with the ego mania indie, I could tell you how empty my life is, I am just not the ego type, I don't have anything to be proud about, I am the bloody scum of the human race as far as I am concerned, a bloody mistake that went on to live for too long.

I told you we could just all apologise and get along I wanted an apology from your first as your commend was directly rude towards me, I was never directly rude towards you.

but why bother talking right, nobody ever listens.

I am sorry indie for my bad behaviour, I was wrong many times, sorry guys, my bad.
 
Nerusy, I love the balance discussions. Just throwing that out there. I read these and the TL forums more than I play the game.

I've also said many times that PvT is mostly balanced at the highest levels. And that protoss is the easier race to play when you're new to the game and improving, hence why protoss have a higher win percentage in all leagues below diamond. I still think in diamond and above, the early game advantage terran has over protoss is the reason the winrate is slightly in favour of terran in diamond, which the stats show. That doesn't mean the matchup is imbalanced though, the winrate is very very slightly in favour of terran and that isn't something horribly worrying.
 
How do the mechanics of ravens PDD work?, i've never been sure about this.
im aware it stops Stalker fire, but does it do the same for Immortals/Sentry/Colossi ?

Will stop stalkers but not sentries, immos or colossi. Dont know about phoenix/carrier interceptors, but wont stop VR.
It's a bit inconsistent. Iirc it stops hydra/muta shots, but not corruptors.

Edit: Sorry for slow reply. Posting from a phone. :p
 
Interesting, I wonder how many people use that?

And is it me, does the turret defence only last a certain amount of time EVEN if it doesn't fire i.e. it self-destructs?

Yeah the autoturret only lasts a certain time. Quite a long time mind, it's great for sneaking into a mineral line.

Also, PDD is fantastic against protoss. It's great for fighting colossus since your vikings will have free reign over them while the stalkers can't shoot at the vikings. It forces the protoss to reposition and take fire while retreating. A really powerful spell.
 
It lasts 2? minutes or until it's destroyed. Very, very useful ability :)

I didn't realise they used energy to intercept though, which means you can EMP them.
 
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