out of Africa, was maybe wrong.

Meridian said:
I'll give you two clues: 1) read some of his posts, and 2) it's not the latter. I don't think that breaks the rules.


But yes, it's another person who simply refuses to believe that the ancestors of the whole human race were black. I leave it as an exercise for the reader as to why certain posters might find such an idea outrageous.
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He's clutching at shadows of straws even if he takes his own post as absolute truth.

There's evidence that a small proportion of DNA in modern Europeans comes from interbreeding with Neanderthals.

Assuming for the sake of argument that is what happened, it would be further extremely strong evidence that homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis had a recent common ancestor. If they weren't very similar on a genetic level, interbreeding wouldn't have been possible. So...where did that common ancestor come from? The evidence (genetic and archaeological) very strongly indicates sub-Saharan Africa.

So at best the OP's post supports a sub-Saharan African origin for humanity that's slightly more complicated than a single migration...which is exactly what the mainstream theory is anyway.

The idea that modern humans, who show remarkably little genetic diversity, somehow evolved seperately as some number of almost identical species in different parts of the world is at best rather far-fetched.
 
Judgeneo said:
Ahh I thought this was a new paper, its from 2012, I've heard about this before.

Basically its saying that there are a group of unique genes present in europeans that did not originate in the african continent.

I don't think it disproves that we evolved from monkeys in africa though.
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It doesn't, it actually is evidence that the early humans interbred with Neanderthals, as has long been suspected.

So One group of primates that left Africa bred with another group of primates that left Africa that were a distinct but highly related species. If they weren't highly related they wouldn't be able to interbreed.

Neanderthals established themselves in Europe before later homosapiens migrated. They probably fought, probably raped, and eventually interbred.

The only evidence of human origins remains Africa. And is unlikely to ever change. If some how a separate human species evolved distinctly in a different part of where world then it would be a shocking discovery, and would strongly point to some weird alien panspermia experiment nonsense which is very far fetched. All evidence points to Africa. the only possibly discoveries are things like early human ancestors evolved earlier than we thought and left Africa earlier.
 
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If you can't be bothered to read it the summary of their research is - based on gene patterns and time taken between mutations Europeans and Africans are a sub species/fork of an unknown alpha species.

So it doesn't go
Code: 
Ancient Africans -> Europeans and Others etc.

But
Code: 
Ancient Something -> Africans
                  -> Europeans
                  -> Others etc.


Therefore, we are left holding the question of the origin of Homo sapiens

Based on palaeoarchaeological evidence, the region, where anatomically modern humans have likely originated, is comprised of a vast territory from Central Europe in the west to the Russian Plain in the east to Levant in the south
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Mildly interesting to most but probably a big deal for racists.

The 2014 follow up pdf, which is easier to read and less of an info dump: http://dx.doi.org/10.4236/aa.2014.41004

It seems that from times of Neanderthals (seemingly having pale skin and fair hair, based on the identified Neanderthal MCR1 melanocortin receptor), our ancestors, of both Africans and non-Africans current populations, lived outside of Africa, apparently in Eurasia or maybe in Europe.
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SNP Mutations Show That Non-Africans Are Not Descendants of Africans of Haplogroups A and B. Instead, They Have a Common Ancestor of About 160,000 Years Ago
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Didn't we all live in a swamp happily eating plankton when, one day, some fish-thing decided to crawl out and have a look around. Evolution then kicked in and a few years later we had the Middle East crisis on our hands.

Bet that fish wish he'd never bothered now.
 
Even the title of the thread speaks of a sub-carrot IQ.

And if you are telling me that the OP could even make sense of that article then feel free spank my bum and call me Mandy, because that was not exactly light reading.
 
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