Overclockers UK gives the CustomPC benchmark a go - OcUK kick ass!
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Soldato
Hi James.....
By knowing:
- What BIOS settings to manipulate to increase stability at higher temeratures
- Which PSU to select
- How power is wired and distributed throughout the components
- What MOBO features are needed and what can be disabled
- What TIM to use and how its best applied
- Power consumption and usage of other devices
- Limitations of the components being used
- Neat cabling to maximise airflow
Trust me, I know my stuff - the clues in the job title... lol
My point is, any tool with a fat wallet can slap a vapochill on more or less anything and breach the 3GHz (foe AMD) or 4GHz(Intel) barrier with very little skill or effort (aside from fitting the vapochill of course).
Recently a post in a magazine shows a cpu-z screenie of a P4 at 7.45GHz.
Very impressive eh? Well no seeing it was done on liquid nitrogen and promptly crashed within 2 minutes. Another hugely important point in my opinion..... and unstable overclock is worth nothing.
Regards
AndyOcUK
Technical Manager
OcUK Tech Dept
By knowing:
- What BIOS settings to manipulate to increase stability at higher temeratures
- Which PSU to select
- How power is wired and distributed throughout the components
- What MOBO features are needed and what can be disabled
- What TIM to use and how its best applied
- Power consumption and usage of other devices
- Limitations of the components being used
- Neat cabling to maximise airflow
Trust me, I know my stuff - the clues in the job title... lol
My point is, any tool with a fat wallet can slap a vapochill on more or less anything and breach the 3GHz (foe AMD) or 4GHz(Intel) barrier with very little skill or effort (aside from fitting the vapochill of course).
Recently a post in a magazine shows a cpu-z screenie of a P4 at 7.45GHz.
Very impressive eh? Well no seeing it was done on liquid nitrogen and promptly crashed within 2 minutes. Another hugely important point in my opinion..... and unstable overclock is worth nothing.
Regards
AndyOcUK
Technical Manager
OcUK Tech Dept
Soldato
AndyOcUK said:Trust me, I know my stuff - the clues in the job title... lol
My point is, any tool with a fat wallet can slap a vapochill on more or less anything and breach the 3GHz (foe AMD) or 4GHz(Intel) barrier with very little skill or effort (aside from fitting the vapochill of course).
well anyone can clock a good clocker on air. it takes more skill to set up a vapo than it does bolting an air cooler on the cpu. And being the biggest retail in the uk as im sure you are, i bet its quite easy to cherry pick an fx-62?
Which are applied whatever cooling is used, right? i'm not trying to ruin your parade dont get me wrong, but air cooling has no skill whatsoever outside setting the pc up which as i said, you do regarldess of the cooling used
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Soldato
Hey mrmister - that is bad news.
As I said, I'm not going to **** the bloke off as I don't know him *although I do now hate him after hearing that - lol) but another point I feel is very relevant here, and a notion that has been lost, is that overclocking is (or used to be) the "dark art" of squeezing extra performance out of your kit for free by intelligently exploiting BIOS and CPU and RAM settings.
I suppose its getting a bit like cars.... the loaded bloke in the ferrari is clearly gonna whip ass all over the bloke who has tweaked the turbo pressures of his Renault 5 GT Turbo EVEN though he may nothing about cars AND be a crap driver. All he needs is a fat pile of cash and his right foot. lol
Food for thought?
Andy OcUK
OcUK Tech
As I said, I'm not going to **** the bloke off as I don't know him *although I do now hate him after hearing that - lol) but another point I feel is very relevant here, and a notion that has been lost, is that overclocking is (or used to be) the "dark art" of squeezing extra performance out of your kit for free by intelligently exploiting BIOS and CPU and RAM settings.
I suppose its getting a bit like cars.... the loaded bloke in the ferrari is clearly gonna whip ass all over the bloke who has tweaked the turbo pressures of his Renault 5 GT Turbo EVEN though he may nothing about cars AND be a crap driver. All he needs is a fat pile of cash and his right foot. lol
Food for thought?
Andy OcUK
OcUK Tech
Soldato
James
My point is that with a vapochill, temperatures aren't an issue when you are running at minus 25 degrees. Temperature affects overclocking and increases instability but there are thing you can do to reduce this. Increasing voltage increases temperature but if its done in the right places in the right amounts, a little higher temperature can be accepted due to the increased stability. The really clever part is, as you've hinted at, knowing your stuff when it comes to the limits of your components. The skill is in selecting extremely "happy" Ramwith your board for memory stability at the bus speeds you're asking of it. Also, with increased voltages, the PSU will need to be very robust and deliver clean steady voltage no matter what load its under.
To answer your question about the FX62 being cherry picked.... it was the only one in the UK a week before the benchmark was posted and it was given to us as a test chip by AMD. I think you'll agree that, with a choice of just One CPU, cherry picking a good overclocker was nothing short of impossible.
Best Regards
AndyOcUK
OcUK tech Dept
My point is that with a vapochill, temperatures aren't an issue when you are running at minus 25 degrees. Temperature affects overclocking and increases instability but there are thing you can do to reduce this. Increasing voltage increases temperature but if its done in the right places in the right amounts, a little higher temperature can be accepted due to the increased stability. The really clever part is, as you've hinted at, knowing your stuff when it comes to the limits of your components. The skill is in selecting extremely "happy" Ramwith your board for memory stability at the bus speeds you're asking of it. Also, with increased voltages, the PSU will need to be very robust and deliver clean steady voltage no matter what load its under.
To answer your question about the FX62 being cherry picked.... it was the only one in the UK a week before the benchmark was posted and it was given to us as a test chip by AMD. I think you'll agree that, with a choice of just One CPU, cherry picking a good overclocker was nothing short of impossible.
Best Regards
AndyOcUK
OcUK tech Dept
Soldato
AndyOcUK said:To answer your question about the FX62 being cherry picked.... it was the only one in the UK a week before the benchmark was posted and it was given to us as a test chip by AMD. I think you'll agree that, with a choice of just One CPU, cherry picking a good overclocker was nothing short of impossible.
Best Regards
AndyOcUK
OcUK tech Dept
ahhh, i agree with that. would you also agree that AMD could have picked the core themselfs, as manufactures do when they send out samples? i wonder what that chip would do on a vapo? you should give it a go
Soldato
lol
wish I had the time. To be honest, we were very, VERY disappointed with the oc'ing performance of the chip but, as I said on an early post on this thread, it was a sample chip on a sample board with a beta BIOS. Hopefully some future BIOS updates and tweaks should give a bit more but a Vapo would definitly help. TBH if it was left to me I'd vapochill our dept. Its been like an oven this week and -25 sounds more attractive by the minute! lol
AndyOcUK
OcUK Tech
wish I had the time. To be honest, we were very, VERY disappointed with the oc'ing performance of the chip but, as I said on an early post on this thread, it was a sample chip on a sample board with a beta BIOS. Hopefully some future BIOS updates and tweaks should give a bit more but a Vapo would definitly help. TBH if it was left to me I'd vapochill our dept. Its been like an oven this week and -25 sounds more attractive by the minute! lol
AndyOcUK
OcUK Tech
Heh I bought a WaterChill Xtreme CPU/VGA/Chipset Cooling Kit - Triple 120mm Radiator/6 Fans (03-L-1319) though I obviously didn't spend £321.89. I got my kit brand new for about £200 from a competitors website (no longer available though).
I love being able to control the fans manually or automatically based on temperature via the new software
Good idea with the second reservoir, the one thats part of the pump is a tad small when filling the system.
My radiator is a tad on the large side so it sits ontop of the PC case (I need to get some photos in the watercooling thread). At some point I want to move the radiator in front of the A/C unit just to see how low I can get the temps without phase as I really don't want the hassel of damp proofing my CPU
One question I do have about the kits OcUK sell above is why do the manufacturing model numbers not match up with the Asetek website?
Theres no (03-L-1319) kit.
I love being able to control the fans manually or automatically based on temperature via the new software
Good idea with the second reservoir, the one thats part of the pump is a tad small when filling the system.
My radiator is a tad on the large side so it sits ontop of the PC case (I need to get some photos in the watercooling thread). At some point I want to move the radiator in front of the A/C unit just to see how low I can get the temps without phase as I really don't want the hassel of damp proofing my CPU
One question I do have about the kits OcUK sell above is why do the manufacturing model numbers not match up with the Asetek website?
Theres no (03-L-1319) kit.
Soldato
Yeah, the software is great. I'd be interested to see your temps, pics and system specs.
The swiftec Radbox is a great mounting mechanism though and I'd highly recommend it.
If you google this: 03-L-1319 you'll find tonnes of hits. It was a limited kit containing everything including NB and VGA blocks.
Best Regards
AndyOcUK
OcUK Tech Dept
The swiftec Radbox is a great mounting mechanism though and I'd highly recommend it.
If you google this: 03-L-1319 you'll find tonnes of hits. It was a limited kit containing everything including NB and VGA blocks.
Best Regards
AndyOcUK
OcUK Tech Dept
Same as the 1219 kit? http://asetek.com/main/page.asp?sideid=694
I'll get some pic's up eventually. I need to dismantle the kit, apply some AS5 and generally give it a bit of a polish. Need some vibration dampeners on the radiator as well. Nice fans but when there up against that piece of metal, boy do they make a good ol'e rattle
I'm going to be getting 3 Acousti Ultra-Soft Arrowhead Fan Mounts - 8 Pack's for £3.47 each.
Nice thing is, when the PC is idling I can run it with just the big silent 120mm in the bottom and the silent 80mm in the back of my Hiper 580watt Type-R PSU
All you can hear is the quiet clunking of the hard disks, s'a beautiful sound when your used to the drone of noisey fans, great to fall asleep too.
I'll post detailed specs when I post the pics and temps after I've got some proper readings.
I'll get some pic's up eventually. I need to dismantle the kit, apply some AS5 and generally give it a bit of a polish. Need some vibration dampeners on the radiator as well. Nice fans but when there up against that piece of metal, boy do they make a good ol'e rattle
I'm going to be getting 3 Acousti Ultra-Soft Arrowhead Fan Mounts - 8 Pack's for £3.47 each.Nice thing is, when the PC is idling I can run it with just the big silent 120mm in the bottom and the silent 80mm in the back of my Hiper 580watt Type-R PSU
All you can hear is the quiet clunking of the hard disks, s'a beautiful sound when your used to the drone of noisey fans, great to fall asleep too.
I'll post detailed specs when I post the pics and temps after I've got some proper readings.
Soldato
Sweet - looking fwd 2 it! Those fan mounts work very, very well.
and yes, its the same kit - may just be a different revision of pump or blocks or something, hence the different kit codes. lol
AndyOcUK
OcUK tech
and yes, its the same kit - may just be a different revision of pump or blocks or something, hence the different kit codes. lol
AndyOcUK
OcUK tech
To be honest it's nice that they actually revise there equipment so quickly. I mean they were the first to the front line with a proper 12v pump (now with the extra USB connectivity, which is still the only one on the market I believe)
I'm glad you lke the fan mounts I'm really looking forward to getting them now
Oh and my PC is a bit of a... how shall I put it.. an aquired taste. People either love it or they hate it. God I love being awkward
Anywho I'm off to bed now got to do some walking tomorrow to practice for this years pilgrimmage, gonna need a good nights sleep... In this bloody heat I don't think so!
I'm glad you lke the fan mounts I'm really looking forward to getting them now
Oh and my PC is a bit of a... how shall I put it.. an aquired taste. People either love it or they hate it. God I love being awkward
Anywho I'm off to bed now got to do some walking tomorrow to practice for this years pilgrimmage, gonna need a good nights sleep... In this bloody heat I don't think so!
Soldato
push for first place.
Hi there
I got us back upto 3rd place today!
That was with a single 36GB Raptor. We all know that a RAID 0 setup benefits this benchmark greatly. I know the systems will get to 2nd place with RAID 0, but getting to 1st place would require some extreme cooling as we need to push the CPU speed upto 4.1GHz-4.2GHz and that won't happen on air.
I got us back upto 3rd place today!
That was with a single 36GB Raptor. We all know that a RAID 0 setup benefits this benchmark greatly. I know the systems will get to 2nd place with RAID 0, but getting to 1st place would require some extreme cooling as we need to push the CPU speed upto 4.1GHz-4.2GHz and that won't happen on air.
Caporegime
Excellent, way to go Gibbo.
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with the stock you guys have you should be at least 2nd, pushing for first
Can't wait till the first x1950xt-x come into the shop......get those two x-fired
why the intel board out of interest?
Can't wait till the first x1950xt-x come into the shop......get those two x-fired
why the intel board out of interest?
glen8 said:with the stock you guys have you should be at least 2nd, pushing for first
Can't wait till the first x1950xt-x come into the shop......get those two x-fired
why the intel board out of interest?
Why not use the Intel board? Apart from its FSB topping out at approx 460MHz its a damn quick stable board. Plus I got it for free.
The X1950 XTX won't effect the CustomPC benchmark but should push 06 past 12,000 and 05 around the 24k mark me thinks. Though the X1950's are mored geared towards gaming performance rather than 3D Mark performance.