Overclocking nightmare with Q6600 unsure what to do. Please help ?

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Hi I am prety new to overclocking any way lets get straight to the point. Got a Q6600 B3 version. All installed ok have have overclocked it to 3.2Ghz PC temps idel are 45c and when running Orthos it goes up to a Max off 71c.

Cant seem to run Orthos for anything over a hour or so. I keep trying to mix and match settings by putting all voltages on auto and running Orthos.


Some times my PC will freeze after choosing certain settings in the Bios or will suddenly restart for no reason.

Is Orthos a 100% must for having a stable PC as I have read a few posts from people that all ways get errors with Orthos, but can then game for 8 hours straight with no problems.

Should I leave all voltages on Auto or should I set them up my self ?? my motherboard is a EVGA 680i version A1.

thanks for help
 
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Can I use a car analogy here? They seem to be popular :D

Orthos is a never ending drag strip. Day to day software you actually use is pretty much motorway driving. Your CPU is a performance vehicle.

There we go.
 
as long as the pc can run the software you use then its fine, install all your software on it, and run it, if it doesn't restart or freeze in any way then you've cracked it...

orthos is good for prooving a system is in fact bullet proof, not for prooving whether you can use it 24/7 with the stuff you run everyday.

cheers
ian
 
Orthos is a pain though it can crash and it doesn't mean it's unstable
it just means orthos crashed i would say a few hours orthos is ok none of this 24
hour orthos stable nonsense maybe 8 hour test overnight.
 
jamieuk23 said:
my motherboard is a EVGA 680i version A1.

thanks for help
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The evga 680I motherboards seems to love having a high vcore voltage to stay stable.....

plus try changing your memory to 2T timing if you have it set to 1T...

Edit....just noticed your using Quad & not dual core...What cpu cooler are you using ??
 
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Depends how important stability and data integrity is to you...

might wanna keep an eye on the vcore - I find my board has a nasty droop when heavily stress tested and after awhile it can suddenly spike downwards quite a bit causing the PC to crash or restart... i.e. I need 1.45 in the BIOS to get 1.39 actual and to make sure it never goes below 1.36 when it does dip which is needed for my overclock to be 100% stable...
 
chaparral said:
The evga 680I motherboards seems to love having a high vcore voltage to stay stable.....

plus try changing your memory to 2T timing if you have it set to 1T...

Edit....just noticed your using Quad & not dual core...What cpu cooler are you using ??
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using the amanda cooler bought from here (most exspensive CPU cooler ont he site)

I have all voltages set on Auto and I have the timmings set at 5-5-5-15 which is what Team extreme say to do. my ram is 1000Mhz but changing it to 800mhz has made my PC seem a lot more stable.

With a top air cooler thou and hitting 70c @3.2Ghz that is Hot !! only thing I would say is I only fitted it yesterday with artic silver 5 so maybe it will take a few degrees off onece the paste settles in ?
 
C64 said:
Orthos is a pain though it can crash and it doesn't mean it's unstable
it just means orthos crashed i would say a few hours orthos is ok none of this 24
hour orthos stable nonsense maybe 8 hour test overnight.
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If Orthos fails, you're not stable. A stable pc should be able to run that until actual hardware failure due to age etc.. occurs. To use another car analogy, your car seems to run fine but its got a leaky tank, gets you from point A to B but theres a 'risk' of either running out of petrol or blowing yourself up.
 
Justintime said:
If Orthos fails, you're not stable. A stable pc should be able to run that until actual hardware failure due to age etc.. occurs. To use another car analogy, your car seems to run fine but its got a leaky tank, gets you from point A to B but theres a 'risk' of either running out of petrol or blowing yourself up.
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Stablity = plays games i want. Runs out with no blue screens. Id rather test it that way then leave it for hours and have to keep checking to make sure it dont crash. Besides as said above. Orthos is unstable its self anyway lol.


O, and i love your signature. Im 16 btw.... or am i ;)
 
Well i have had issues with systems that failed orthos, and usually my Orthosed/Primed rigs are rock solid. Its a good indicator of some degree of stability in my book though its not the end all of stability programs. I also memtest and 3Dmark loop my overclocked rigs. Put it this way, if your system can run orthos fine at stock, and it can't when overclocked then obviously somethings not right then is it? :D
 
Justintime said:
Put it this way, if your system can run orthos fine at stock, and it can't when overclocked then obviously somethings not right then is it? :D
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Something is failing under extreme conditions. If those conditions are only ever met in a testing environment, then the validity of using Orthos for basing stability on everyday use is questionable at best.
 
And the day an app or game puts your system under those extreme conditions, who're ya gonna blame? ;) Everyday use is all well and good but surely you'd like to have the peace of mind that when things get pumping everything works right? i just don't get your logic. Again with another car analogy, you got a car you drive 30mph to work most days, somethings wrong with the engine though and at high speed it cuts out but at 30 it works just fine, one day you need to go on the motorway to get somewhere...

A PC should be able to take anything thrown at it apart from actual crappy unstable software. Aside from the fact that theres quite a few apps and games that might actually hit orthosish conditons, Your logic is 'questionable at best ' ;)

I guess us people who're anal about stability have a problem, we'll deal with it and leave you guys with those ticking timebombs :p
 
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Everyones idea of what is stable is different but the basic fact remains - if your cpu makes a computational error it is most definately NOT stable. Orthos/ Mersenne Prime applications are one of the easiest ways to test for this. I'm not claiming orthos/prime is the be all and end all but currently its the most widely accepted test of stability for CPU/memory/chipset together for a reason - it will find out an unstable system.

Those who claim that there PC is stable but 'cannot be bothered' to run a 12 hr test/1 loop are kidding themselves into believing its 'stable enough' but most likely fear that their pc will crash under orthos and so try and excuse the importance of stress testing. Sure, you may be able to run you're pc using whatever applications without trouble but sooner or later it will (or already is) making errors. I recently had a cpu that ran games and superPI @ 4.15ghz but couldn't get it to pass orthos at that speed no matter what I did. I had to give up in the end as it simply WAS NOT stable at that speed and I didn't want to run the risk of data corruption, crashing applications or worse - hardware failure(due to the odd resets) months or years down the line.

Running an overclock that is not stable is fine for finding a cpu's limits and extreme benchmarking but claiming that its 'stable enough' is imo misleading and dishonest to the overclocking community but perhaps more importantly - yourself. Why run the risk?
 
w3bbo said:
Everyones idea of what is stable is different but the basic fact remains - if your cpu makes a computational error it is most definately NOT stable. Orthos/ Mersenne Prime applications are one of the easiest ways to test for this. I'm not claiming orthos/prime is the be all and end all but currently its the most widely accepted test of stability for CPU/memory/chipset together for a reason - it will find out an unstable system.

Those who claim that there PC is stable but 'cannot be bothered' to run a 12 hr test/1 loop are kidding themselves into believing its 'stable enough' but most likely fear that their pc will crash under orthos and so try and excuse the importance of stress testing. Sure, you may be able to run you're pc using whatever applications without trouble but sooner or later it will (or already is) making errors. I recently had a cpu that ran games and superPI @ 4.15ghz but couldn't get it to pass orthos at that speed no matter what I did. I had to give up in the end as it simply WAS NOT stable at that speed and I didn't want to run the risk of data corruption, crashing applications or worse - hardware failure(due to the odd resets) months or years down the line.

Running an overclock that is not stable is fine for finding a cpu's limits and extreme benchmarking but claiming that its 'stable enough' is imo misleading and dishonest to the overclocking community but perhaps more importantly - yourself. Why run the risk?
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great speech ! ;)
 
CANNOT BELIEVE NO ONE HAS ALREADY SAID! :eek: (i think?)

You have a revision 1 EVGA, they are known to NOT HANDLE quad cores very well at all, thats why you can't overclock very well, send it back and they should hand you a A2 or revision 2, which have been fixed for quad core
 
No one said it because A1 IS the latest revision.

AR/TR = old version

A1/T1 = new revision

;)
 
BubbySoup said:
Something is failing under extreme conditions. If those conditions are only ever met in a testing environment, then the validity of using Orthos for basing stability on everyday use is questionable at best.
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^^^^ my views.

As to your other speachs. How oftern does your cpu ever reach 100%?? how oftern would a quad reach 100%? If i did crash because it did then yes id tune it down. But if it doesn't then ive gained having a faster cpu. Id rather play it by ear then spend my life doing bench marks which mean nothing to me. I just want a pc that i can run as fast as possible and do everything i want it to.
 
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