"Overtaking" on a roundabout.

Antony101 · 16 Nov 2014 at 23:23

Zefan said:
Absolutely 100% the KA at fault here. It's all good and well saying "Yeah well if you were further back then.." but where does that stop? OP - just never drive a car ever again, then you'll never be hit! Can't get safer than that! Am I doing this right?!

But what if he crashed into my house and killed me? Should I have pre-emptively moved?

austinpowers · 16 Nov 2014 at 23:42

Antony101 said:
I think they are there to stop people just driving back onto the roundabout where there is a lowered curb.

I meant the transmission lines/pylons...

Antony101 · 16 Nov 2014 at 23:46

austinpowers said:
I meant the transmission lines/pylons...

Ahhh yeah, didn't even see them when I checked the picture, guess I've just got used to them.

miniyazz · 17 Nov 2014 at 00:46

Antony101 said:
But I was passed him, he could have seen me if he looked at all.

Not sure how people can say I could have avoided it? I could have avoided it by not driving at all but what good does that do me? If I'd have slowed down I'd have been in the way of the 4/5 other cars behind him, and the cars behind me. I'd have also been side by side instead of slightly past him and he would have still hit me?

There are two lanes for a reason and I'm not going to queue behind 7 other cars when the other lane is empty?

Antony101 said:
What did I do wrong? That's why I posted this? As I see it, I was in the correct lane, didn't undertake and someone almost drove into the side of me because they clearly didn't look where they intended to drive.

At no point do I see I did something wrong, that's why I don't unserstand the rubbish I got from two different people.

I'm not going to drive everywhere slow in case someone crashes into me as that would be ******* stupid.

Learning defensive driving isn't about saying you were in the wrong. It's about learning to predict high-risk situations and methods to mitigate risk.
Like noticing a slip road ahead and making space for a tit who may think they have priority when leaving the sliproad to the extent they'll merge into your car, dropping back on a roundabout if you're adjacent to a lorry who may cross into your lane while turning, and spending the minimum amount of time next to a lorry in 50mph motorway sections because you're probably in one of their blind spots and you don't want them to forget you're there and (literally) squash you.

Antony101 · 17 Nov 2014 at 00:54

miniyazz said:
Learning defensive driving isn't about saying you were in the wrong. It's about learning to predict high-risk situations and methods to mitigate risk.
Like noticing a slip road ahead and making space for a tit who may think they have priority when leaving the sliproad to the extent they'll merge into your car, dropping back on a roundabout if you're adjacent to a lorry who may cross into your lane while turning, and spending the minimum amount of time next to a lorry in 50mph motorway sections because you're probably in one of their blind spots and you don't want them to forget you're there and (literally) squash you.

Absolutely none of which relate to this thread in anyway. But yeah, I guess I should learn to know when someone isn't going to break in a line of traffic and smash into the back of me too?

All of the above I do on a regular basis, and have done in my year of driving about 40,000 miles.

Edit: Before someone says "40,000 is nothing blah blah" I know it's not a great deal to a lot of people but it's a decent amount to cover when my job isn't based around delivery driving or transport.

theone8181 · 17 Nov 2014 at 07:59

Just witnessed something similar happen this morning straight ahead on a 2 on 2 off roundabout guy in the right lane pulls over while the guy in the left lane has to slam all on. I cant believe some people are so ignorant/blind.

rodenal · 17 Nov 2014 at 08:05

You're getting a bit unduly worried about this tbh - just learn from it and move on. Regardless of actual fault it's something to watch for in future.

If the worst had happened then ultimately you'd have lost 3 years no claims from it and been frustrated by having a "fault" (50/50) claim....

pioneer2000 · 17 Nov 2014 at 08:13

Antony101 said:
People are telling me I shouldn't have been going so fast? He shouldn't have gone into the right lane if he had no intention of going fast, the roundabout is VERY well sign posted.

It's not the "going fast lane" and from the sounds of it you were frustrated that he was "going slow" (the speed limit?) and so zipped round him in the left lane.

So judging from that, yes you should try to drive more defensively in future.

TripleT · 17 Nov 2014 at 12:06

TripleT said:
OP, go on a defensive driving course and you'll see the error of your ways.

OP, don't bother with the defensive driving course. I reckon the instructor would possibly kill you

ubersonic · 17 Nov 2014 at 13:07

I would say the council are the ones in the wrong here, OP used the roundabout as marked, KA used it as per the norms for a roundabout (should have paid attention to markings though no doubt about that).

For reference this is probably how the KA was expecting things to go (this is how you use a roundabout unless overruled by markings/signs):

theone8181 · 17 Nov 2014 at 13:20

ubersonic said:
I would say the council are the ones in the wrong here, OP used the roundabout as marked, KA used it as per the norms for a roundabout (should have paid attention to markings though no doubt about that).

For reference this is probably how the KA was expecting things to go (this is how you use a roundabout unless overruled by markings/signs):

Green car can also go into lane 2 straight ahead (but not lane 1 until on the dual carriageway).