Palit 3060ti dual issues? Lower clock speeds?

[philuk20]

Hi all,

I recently recieved a 3060ti in a new build by overclockers. But I'm having a strange issue with the gpu?
My scores in benchmarks consistently fall outside the average by between 800 to 1500 points. Timespy 3dmark for example. Putting me into the bottom % of cards.
After some testing I've narrowed this down to the clock speeds(for now). Almost all 3060tis will average a higher overall clock speed, while mine averages at 1740mhz. Example averages I've seen are 1950mhz, for cards at stock.
Average temperature after custom fan curve 66c max, all other settings stock.
I have tried high performance power plan and setting max performance in nvidia panel. To no luck.
Hwinfo64/ gpuz reports perf limits on reliable voltage, power and occasionally temp?

Any ideas. Or am I missing somthing obvious.

 

[philuk20]

3dmark time spy GPU scores
Between 10.9k and 11.1k on GPU
I7 10700kf around 10.8k

 

[philuk20]

Have you tried to overclock the core?

I'd imagen most people running these benchmarks would be doing so with an overclock which is why the stock score average seems low.

Hi no overclocking yet.
I got some stock scores which all averaged much higher at that 1950mhz mark, once overclocked they hit between 2000 to 21000mhz.
So my starting baseline is way off. I'm at a loss to why.

 

[philuk20]

Have you tried increasing the power limit as even at stock it should allow the card to clock higher.

I haven't changed any power settings yet. I have watched a few videos and have a basic idea of how to OC it. Again even their cards hitting around 1950 before OCing lol.
I will try a fresh driver install tonight also

I'm worried I have a dud card and will be stuck with it, trying to find the time to test these things is painful.

Does anything flag as possible hardware or even psu issues? It does seem to be hitting the power draw limit then downclocking. The thermal limit hit has me worried possible vrm heating issue?

 

[philuk20]

How much power does GpuZ say the cards using at full load?

I will need to check this after work. I have seen hwinfo64 report a 199w or 200w load, atleast at maximum. I dont know if it sustains that draw or is fluctuating under load.

 

[philuk20]

I have this card for mining. You can't increase the power limit of this card. It tops out at 100%. You should be able to increase GPU base clock by 100MHz and RAM by 1000MHz.

Any reasons for such a low base average on the clock? The gpu scores I'm getting are way off base for this 3060ti.

 

[philuk20]

Download thunder master to see

Sorry I'm not familiar with the programme. I will look at this later.

Gpuz flagged up perf limits as power, reliable voltage and hwinfo occasionally also flags temp.

Have you had any issues with your cards clocks?

 

[philuk20]

I have the same card and it does feel like a toy compared the the FE and even to some extent the Palit.

As above, undervolt is your friend as the card is thermally limited at 200W.
I can't remember the settings as I'm working but mine now runs 1950Mhz - 2000Mhz depending on workload even at a power limit around 160W to keep the fan quiet.

At least you have a 5 year warrenty on the card, assuming you register it.

Yeah the card seems pretty poor overall, atleast compared to other lines. Did you have similar clock scores onstock?

If you could share your uv. Settings I'd appreciate it. Again not exactly well versed in oc and UV. But seem this is the only way forward.

 

[philuk20]

The starting baseline doesn't really matter much. Cheap models (and I believe the Dual is about the cheapest model around) usually have lower clocks. In addition, it's probably hitting the power limit at stock, which will lower your clocks. Undervolt and overclock it. You'll see much better performance than stock with less power draw.


Yeah, and there it is. If it's both power and temperature throttling, it's no wonder your clocks are low. Undervolting is the answer to your problems. I run my 3070 FE at 950mV/2025MHz, which is notably higher than stock clocks with much less power draw.

Ok so essentially a poor card model combined with it hitting its hard power draw is causing the clocks to drop along with occasional temps.
Is UV "easy"? Any defacto guides? Would the built in auto oc feature be any use here?

 

[philuk20]

BTW thanks everyone for the replies so far. You've no idea how much I appreciate it!

 

[philuk20]

I'd start with -200 on the core voltage, leave power limit alone and +2000 on memory.

If it's stable after a few days you can try heading towards -250 on core voltage.

nothing special

Quick and easy in MSI afterburner

Hi Deco thanks a lot.
Did you notice it was underperforming out of the box, do you recall what clocks you were averaging at stock?

 

[philuk20]

I had some weird experiences with this card at stock too. As other people said, I wouldn't worry about stock 3DMark score because almost every running that will have some kind of OC.

I'm not sure why it won't let you adjust power on this card. Both the Dual and the Dual OC have the same BIOS which should let you set power limit to 105% (use MSI Afterburner, not Palit Thundermaster).

I now have it with a pretty hardcore undervolt (0.75V, 1695 MHz, +500 memory offset, 100% power limit) to keep the fans below 2000 RPM in a SFF case. The highest I could push it was 1905 MHz and +400 memory offset, which needed a 0.875V undervolt and 105% power limit. You are hardcore limited by Palit's power limit (and thermals aren't great either) so undervolt is 100% necessary. I could get it stable at 1920 MHz but it would immediately throttle down to below 1900.

Did you benchmark at stock? Seems the card model is just on the lower end plus will need this undervolt to boost clock speed. I'm just trying to ensure the model i have isnt faulty first and foremost. I've been at my wits end with it. Not ideal for a prebuilt system lol! Didn't come with a rear fan either so all that heat just fills the case its a toasty card.

 

[philuk20]

I have a screenshot saved - running 3DMark demo Time Spy, out of the box graphics score was 10677 putting it slightly below average for 3060 Ti scores. Are you getting similar?

Yeah ranging between 10900s to 11100. Around those scores. So well outside average, bottom 25% for mine. I can only point to the clock speeds, as on other models pushing 2.1k is the norm with oc.
So it may just be the card. I'm still unsure, as even base models should be able to hit 1950mhz without much issue.

 

[philuk20]

It has left abit

Most other 3060 Ti (including FE) have a 220+W power limit. And probably better components/cooling to go with it.

At the end of the day, it's the cheapest AIB card and was obtainable for near MSRP prices, and it's hitting the advertised boost clock which is only 1665 MHz. It's not gonna compete with a 250+W Aorus or a 300+W Strix (which are kitted out to support overclocking) and I hope you weren't expecting it to..

Well it came in a prebuilt system i had little choice, plus with the current situation around gpus. It was this or a 200£ more 3070, which was OOS at the time. I did change the psu as it was such low quality, only found out what psu after ordering on the build sheet.
I didnt expect top end, but I expected atleast just below average. This is well below going by other cards. I dont know a lot but I try to ensure the stuff is working atleast.

 

[philuk20]

Well if you want something that will make you feel a bit better, check out the 3060 Ti when it hopefully goes on sale here later today and think about the £100-150 you saved on this card

Yeah thats fair, just hope I can get it running around 1900mhz id be happy with that. Can't believe how crazy gpus are at the moment. I was just worried the card was faulty!

 

[philuk20]

Look like You need to get a stronger power block.

Its a 750w super flower brand new. Should be ok for this card?

 

[philuk20]

I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but I have never seen voltage reliability as a limiting factor on HWinfo from 0.75 - 1.08V using my Corsair SF600 platinum. That said, looking at your benchmarks, I very much doubt it will make any noticeable difference to you as this card simply isn't a good overclocker. Personally I wouldn't replace the PSU (which will be £80+ for a good one) unless it's actually crashing.

The super flower was 105£ so it should be of good quality?
What would voltage reliability indicate a psu issue?

 

[philuk20]

I have no idea if your PSU is any good, I just kinda assumed it would be bad because you said it was a pre-built system and that's where they tend to cheap out the most. There's a nice tier list - not sure if I'm allowed to link but if you google "PSUcultists tier list" it'll come up. Like I said, I doubt it will make any real world difference.

Well they had bundled in a poor quality klonik one, but I requested it be changed. I got the best i could that was in stock.