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I expect an Apple forum is totally the wrong place to post this. However, I felt pretty uncomfortable as an owner of Apple products after watching the BBC Panorama Exposé of Apple last night.

Did anyone else feel the same?
 
I didn't know about the Apple letter and though disappointed I'm not surprised.

Rule of Hole - when you are in one stop digging.

Apple should be better than this and saying other companies are guilty too is hardly the point i.e. two wrongs do not make a right.
 
I am well aware that Foxconn and Pegatron manufacture for other brands besides Apple. However, as top dog Apple has the financial muscle to ensure it's suppliers adhere to any rules it sets. These companies have to meet strict quality controls set by Apple, therefore Apple should set those same standards to working conditions and ensure they are closely monitored.
 
n111ck said:
I see they now have Apple clickbait on tv too...

Shocking journalism particularly as it seems Apple are the ones trying to make a difference in such a corrupt country.

No mention of your Samsungs etc who use exactly the same companies either...
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Well if stating others are also guilty clears your conscience then fine. The problem with your post though is that Apple are the ones always trying to claim the moral high ground and if you do that then expect to come under special scrutiny.

Apple have been in China for many many years so it's not as though they haven't had plenty time to tackle these issues. Apple are one of the richest companies on the planet and as such they haven't a leg to stand on regarding what we all saw on the Panorama programme.

I'm not sure I would try and defend the indefensible, but hey who knows, TC may just send you a tee-shirt by way of a thank you for Christmas (produced in China of course).
 
I think you only have to look at the posts and views in this thread compared to the iPhone 6 thread. People in the First World don't care how workers who produce their goods are treated just so long as they get their iProducts and it isn't them that's having to work in those conditions.

It's a harsh thing to post I know but what other conclusion can one draw?
 
Caged said:
I just think drawing the conclusion that Apple are somehow worse than the other manufacturers because they are the only ones who publicly discuss working conditions is flawed logic. Why is having a system in place to try and make a difference and failing sometimes worse than not trying at all?
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I don't think people are saying Apple are worse. The inference is that if anyone can make a difference then Apple are the ones who have the financial clout to achieve it.

What dismayed me was the fact that Apple appear to be more than happy to go along with the current arrangements. To make matters even worse they then spend big in their own back yard in an effort to show the world just how ethical they are.
 
delta0 said:
If any of the articles that have come out today are to go by then Apple are doing extremely well compared to others. Apple have received praise within China today and Pegatron clearly very sensitive to their customer Apple are making significant changes.
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I don't understand this argument- Apple are not the worst of the offenders so that is somehow spun as a plus. You could use this logic to compare who was the least worst Despot the world has known. :rolleyes:
 
terminator2k2 said:
As already said , this was a pop at apple due to them being one of the most recognised money makers in the industry....

This effects all electronic manafacturers and their supply chain.

as we all know manufacturing companies go to china due to there cheap labour costs.

Apple cant make changes to how their product is built either. They go to these big Chinese factories to find the cheapest , simples. but so do all businesses in manufacturing, squeeze every penny to make huge profits. IF you really think apple give a toss about how the labour force is fed and watered in china , you obviously don't live on this planet.

"Originally Posted by delta0 View Post
If any of the articles that have come out today are to go by then Apple are doing extremely well compared to others. Apple have received praise within China today and Pegatron clearly very sensitive to their customer Apple are making significant changes."

of course Apple will receive praise from china......do you really think that they want to lose contracts to other countries worth millions......This world is run on cheap labour.....that's why hardly any manufacturing goes on in the UK today.
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Your post completely misses the thrust of the programme. Assuming you watched it I suggest you watch it again to see what it was you missed or aren't getting.
 
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