Paramount announces new Star Trek film release date

ivrytwr3 said:
I enjoyed the first 2 Pine/Quinto movies and catch myself watching them every now and again :)

But the 3rd was dire, especially defeating the enemy by playing Beastie Boys. I've never watched that movie again.
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When they hired the fast and furious director Justin Lin I knew and likely they knew exactly what they were going to get. And it’s exactly what they got too. It wasn’t a Star Trek film, it was fast and furious starfleet.
 
Really enjoyed the first 2 and find myself re-watching them every now and again. But detest Beyond as it seemed a generic sci-fi movie, a complete waste of Elba and the final battle involving beating the baddies with retro music was laughable (and been done before).

The characters are a true nod to TOS, McCoy - awesome, Spock - awesome, Uhurah - ok, Scotty - ok. Kirk - Pine isn't Kirk, but he's ok, plays same type of character in every movie.

So looking forward to 4 and hoping it doesn't go woke :(
 
I liked all of the actors in the Kelvin Star Trek. It's just the plots that were awful. They destroyed the immersion from the very beginning and never got it back. Stupid stupid plot decisions throughout. Abrahams is a great director, probably a great producer but he should be kept away from creative plot decisions and his choices of writer suck to.
 
VincentHanna said:
I can't believe people prefer 'Into Darkness' to 'Beyond'.

At least the characters in the third movie are more consistent with the TOS timeline counterparts.
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Quite. I'll happily make the case for Into Darkness being the worst Trek film of them all. Even Final Frontier and Nemesis have more going for them.
 
I loved the first two as a cinematic experience. As with Discovery I'm not a Trek nerd so I take them at face value for the most part. Love the Giacchino score especially, it really makes the movies and the quality and pacing was brilliant on the big screen.

Don't think a 4th will bring much to the table. They built the characters for a new generation really well and it could never be the slower paced Trek we love on the TV when it's aimed at the ADHD YouTube generation. It should mature and slow down on the "oh this is cool" and "oh this is funny" aspect but I feel they'll just try go bigger which likely won't be better.
 
I didn't mind the cast for the JJVerse, it was the writing that let them down in all 3 films although the 1st was the best, but let's be honest of all the trek films the only one that was really good was Wrath of Khan, the rest were all average or below so it should be expected that a Trek film will be "meh" and I think the reason for this is it just doesn't translate well on the big screen vs being a series, Trek never been about action but it's probably why Wrath is the best because it perfectly mixes action with Trek lore and the villain is superb and nobody really wins at the end
 
Minusorange said:
I didn't mind the cast for the JJVerse, it was the writing that let them down in all 3 films although the 1st was the best, but let's be honest of all the trek films the only one that was really good was Wrath of Khan, the rest were all average or below so it should be expected that a Trek film will be "meh" and I think the reason for this is it just doesn't translate well on the big screen vs being a series, Trek never been about action but it's probably why Wrath is the best because it perfectly mixes action with Trek lore and the villain is superb and nobody really wins at the end
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TMP is better than people give it credit for being. It's a re-tread in many ways of an existing TOS episode ("The Changeling") and the theatrical cut was pretty much unfinished. But it's beautifully shot, the Directors Edition fixes made it a much better film and nothing that came after would have been possible without it.

Wrath of Khan is a masterpiece, written in 12 days and made for pennies (Voyager's first episode cost more). A case study in what happens when you get TV guys (Harve Bennett, Joe Jennings...) together with a talented young writer-director and a cast on the top of their game.

Search for Spock suffers for being simply a way to get Spock back into the story. But it has high points - Chris Lloyd's Kruge, Shatner's acting in the scene where David is murdered, the gut-punch of the Enterprise being destroyed and ILM's VFX for that.

Voyage Home is a fun romp, one of the more Trek-ian stories (there's no real bad guy in it). The humour isn't forced, the cast all get to have fun, and it rounded out the II-III-IV trilogy nicely to get everyone back to where they needed to be.

Final Frontier had serious issues, most of which could have been solved if a) there hadn't been a writers strike, b) ILM had been available for the effects and c) the studio had trusted Shatner a bit more with the story and direction rather than dictating to him. But there are some good points - De Kelley is magnificent in the scene reliving McCoy's father dying, Shatner's Kirk Speech™ about needing his pain is pretty bloody good, the campfire talk between the trio about how they wind each other up in space and then spend shore leave together instead of with family that gets bookended at the end of the film by Kirk noting that he was wrong - he does have a family, and that family is Spock and Bones.

Undiscovered Country is a worthy send-off for the Original Series crew, with a 'real world' relevant plot (equal parts Chernobyl, the Berlin Wall coming down, the USSR dissolving, the assassinations of Lincoln, Anwar Sadat et al.), tight direction and great VFX and set design. You wonder how it would have played out had Saavik been the 'mole' on the Enterprise as Nick Meyer originally intended rather than Valeris. Certainly would have made much of the story even darker than it turned out.

As for the TNG films - Generations is alright, First Contact very good indeed, Insurrection a bit iffy and Nemesis sucks.
 
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A - WOK / UC (absolutely love these two, WOK is a masterpiece, love UC because I saw it at the cinema age 9 :D)
B - TMP / SFS / Generations / FC (all excellent - Generations a favourite of mine probably just because of how old I was when it came out (12) SFS stealing enterprise is a highlight of the whole series for me
C - VH / FF (likeable but not "great")
D - Insurrection (like a long TNG Episode but good enough)
E - Nemesis (terrible)

new films, first one good, second one rubbish plot but some good visuals, third one is poor
 
Surprised so many thought generations was good, i'd go along with general consensus and say it just felt like a feature length tng episode with Shatner making an appearance. His death scene was meh but better than what they originally shot which was just him being shot in the back.

Biggest issue was the stakes at hand, it was some random system you'd never heard of before, had it been Earth or Vulcan or something then it would have seemed like a bigger deal than what they ended up going with.

SkeeterUK said:
Bring back shatner and sulu for a tmp era film. No more jj trek or new trek, old is best. Or a riker film based after picard would be good.
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You'd have a job getting Shatner and Takei to work together after all the barbs slung back and forth over the years. I think the time of getting Shatner involved to some extent is long gone. He's 90 years old (yet looks a lot younger) and people have been wanting his return since Generations and i don't think it's ever come close to happening. There was some talk about the 2009 movie but both Shatner and Abrams have conflicting stories about the approach, Shatner claims nobody ever approached him to be in it, and Abrams claimed that he was offered a part in the movie and Shatner supposedly wanted the movie to have a major focus on him.

 
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