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- So mother/father doesn't dent other customer cars when trying to unseat their kid from a baby seat
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Parent and Child spaces
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The spaces are the same size in 3 of the Tescos around here. How does this benefit them? Why not make every space the same size and if size is the problem then make them bigger.
As I said... is it really necessary to take children shopping. They must be bored stiff. Why not leave them at home with the other half, in laws, etc. I can understand a single parent rushing out because they need something but when you see two parents getting out then going through the rigmarole of getting the kid out it really is a 'why didnt you leave them at home' moment.
M.
As I said... is it really necessary to take children shopping. They must be bored stiff. Why not leave them at home with the other half, in laws, etc. I can understand a single parent rushing out because they need something but when you see two parents getting out then going through the rigmarole of getting the kid out it really is a 'why didnt you leave them at home' moment.
M.
I dont park in them or disabled bays. I tend to park acrross 2 bays instead. At all my local supermarkets there are rules listing details of 'fines' for parking in bays you are 'not allowed' to but nothing about parking across the bays.
Not directed specifically at you, more at this mindset.
Making the assumption that people with this point of view are young guys currently without children i do wonder how many of them will be only too happy to park in these bays when the time comes, as it probably will.
anyone can park in them at our store, we cant do anything about it.
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I agree. Or atleast kids with car seats. a lot of the time the door needs to be wide open to get in at them properly.
As for the pushchairs, it's a safety issue. Otherwise the pushchair is going to have to be at the back where cars are going by and it's more dangerous.
No way! I always noticed those space but never realised they were women only!
Check out the little wooden posts when you next go by..
M.
Well we have decided not to have children, mainly because we are selfish and enjoy getting up when we want (obviously not on a work day - though that would be nice) and doing what we want.
I see having a kid as a decision. Before you have a kid you should know exactly what you are getting yourself in to and it's because you want the kid. That's what I find irksome about these people who see having car parking spaces, etc is a god given right. You had the kid, you deal with it. The only thing more annoying is when they are being dragged around a store crying and the parent is 'james stop that' of course he's not going to stop. When we were growing up we knew that we would be smacked - so we didn't do it - but I'm veering off topic.
As I've said before I know people who are single parents and have to take there kids shopping, most without a car. So I don't see what the problem is in anyone using these spaces. Especially disabled people who have, in my opinion, more of a need for these spaces then anyone else.
M.
And the FACT that someone in a heap or mother in a Chelsea tractor will have parked next to your car by the tiem you arrive back to it
This debate will always rage on and it is generally Parents vs Non-parents.
I'm quite happy for the parents with kids to shove off to the front of the supermarket to fight over these spaces with others, I'l just park further away next to some nicer cars.
Or just buy a 20yr old volvo covered in dents + rust and use that for the shopping trip
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[TW]Fox;15335481 said:Remember guys, if you have kids you are a more important person than everyone else
This is more the truth:
Taken a years or so ago in ASDA Chelmsford.
Are you serious? If only life was that easy?
I think by reading through some of these posts that most have don’t have children or any clue what it’s like to look after them. Maybe most of you have no idea of the reality outside your idealistic world. Regardless of which, most of you are in for one hell of a shook when you have a family of your own to look after. Sure it’s our choice to have families but then why shouldn’t we have. Everyone is allowed the choice and it’s no different to any of you choosing to have an expensive car over having none at all.
You can’t make everyone happy all of the time and no one said that everyone has to agree on weather disabled and child spaces are acceptable or not. But if a company or a store has provided any kind facility, regardless of whom they are for or what they are for, it’s our responsibility to respect that decision. After all, no said you have to shop there, there are plenty of other places to shop.
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You are just showing ignorance and naivety..
Just because you have this irrational personal hang-up about parents/children is no excuse..
The spaces serve two purposes, the only one you really need to take on board is 'safer pedestrian transit to/from the store'. Now couple that with the fact pedestrian child incidents make up the majority of all pedestrian incidents, and you can see that despite your daft ramblings, by your own actions you would gladly expose a more vunerable member of society to more risk, which quite frankly is pathetic.
Not only that, but these spaces haven't come about due to parents lobbying parliament for more rights then you, the Supermarkets are feeding off the need of a parent to protect their children, and marketing ploy or not, on the basis of improving child pedestrian safety, they do serve a worthy purpose (if not abused)..
Bottom line, you are totally out of order and mistaken in thinking that P&C spaces are an expression of a 'right' on a parents behalf. I'm afraid that society has always made special provision for their young/elderly/infirm, it's always improved safety for the more vunerable through measures which are often at the expense of others, as you say "just deal with it"..
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You know sometimes reading the OCUk forums can be enlightening, funny and demonstrate the merits of good natured healthy ribbing but this thread is an example of when all of that goes out the window and we hit the lowest denominators of selfishness, hypocrisy and supercilliious attitudes.
Look I 'value' my car as much as the next person but I value my son more and if I go to a supermarket which has parent and child spaces then that is my choice and if there are spaces of that type available that's what I'll use. I DO NOT consider it a god given right or whatever other drivel terms are being banded about on here but if they are there and my chosen shop has seen fit to provide them for WHATEVER reason (I don't care it's their property)then yes I will use them because it makes life slightly easier when I have my son with me.
Accusations of parents being lazy are such stupid sweeping generalisations that they really don't merit a response but I'll counter it with another...the people who occupy these P&C (and disabled bays) without either the child or the badge are, in my experience, the epitomy of lazy and self centered and really only out to save themselves that 10 metre walk to the door. These are not generally people out to simply preserve their 'prestige' vehicles they are mostly just selfish and lazy. Before I had kids but had nice cars I would not give 2 hoots about how far I had to walk to get to the door so I would park in the furthest corner of the carpark....because preserving my car outweighed my desire to not walk...to me that demonstrates that my key concern is my vehicle and not my own inflated self importance. I don't see much evidence of that mindset these days..
All this talk about it not being enforceable etc makes me laugh as well...as though its cool to 'get one over' on the supermarket you are choosing to give your hard earned to (duh) or, indeed, make these lazy parents realise they don't have a god given right to safer parking nearer the store (go you...what tough reebels you are). Sad.
Let me use an analogy here - we abide by OCUk terms and conditions when posting on this site so we don't post competitors and keep it family friendly...is that a law? No - but we abide by the terms of the company who are providing us with a service which we elect (with free will) to use. How is that different to what's being discussed here? It's extremely hypocritical given the staunch defending of OCUk terms by many that some of the same individuals see fit to publicly laugh off their flouting of another firms terms. Total hypocrisy.
I should add that I do realise that some of the more extreme views earlier in the thread were tongue in cheek but with others its clear that these are actually the views of the poster and that's really quite pathetic to see.
Look I 'value' my car as much as the next person but I value my son more and if I go to a supermarket which has parent and child spaces then that is my choice and if there are spaces of that type available that's what I'll use. I DO NOT consider it a god given right or whatever other drivel terms are being banded about on here but if they are there and my chosen shop has seen fit to provide them for WHATEVER reason (I don't care it's their property)then yes I will use them because it makes life slightly easier when I have my son with me.
Accusations of parents being lazy are such stupid sweeping generalisations that they really don't merit a response but I'll counter it with another...the people who occupy these P&C (and disabled bays) without either the child or the badge are, in my experience, the epitomy of lazy and self centered and really only out to save themselves that 10 metre walk to the door. These are not generally people out to simply preserve their 'prestige' vehicles they are mostly just selfish and lazy. Before I had kids but had nice cars I would not give 2 hoots about how far I had to walk to get to the door so I would park in the furthest corner of the carpark....because preserving my car outweighed my desire to not walk...to me that demonstrates that my key concern is my vehicle and not my own inflated self importance. I don't see much evidence of that mindset these days..
All this talk about it not being enforceable etc makes me laugh as well...as though its cool to 'get one over' on the supermarket you are choosing to give your hard earned to (duh) or, indeed, make these lazy parents realise they don't have a god given right to safer parking nearer the store (go you...what tough reebels you are). Sad.
Let me use an analogy here - we abide by OCUk terms and conditions when posting on this site so we don't post competitors and keep it family friendly...is that a law? No - but we abide by the terms of the company who are providing us with a service which we elect (with free will) to use. How is that different to what's being discussed here? It's extremely hypocritical given the staunch defending of OCUk terms by many that some of the same individuals see fit to publicly laugh off their flouting of another firms terms. Total hypocrisy.
I should add that I do realise that some of the more extreme views earlier in the thread were tongue in cheek but with others its clear that these are actually the views of the poster and that's really quite pathetic to see.
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Or pregnant women, for whom there doesn't seem to be any provision. Mrs Asprilla can't get out of the car in most spaces because her bump is too big.
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Child / parent parking should be just that. For 'children' not young adults who know the about all the dangers of the roads etc.
What A good idea, with all the parking tickets surrounding council car parks, this hadn't occurred to me. I'll remember this one for next time.
As an aside, is it any wonder there is such a preponderance of new laws being put on the books when, as this thread shows, it appears some people appear to lack any form of moral compass or social responsibility without something being 'illegal'?
Like, for example, people slowly realising (yay for the internet) that non-council parking tickets are difficult to enforce - well done, you got one over 'the system' - except in 2 years time, there *will* be a law making it illegal, because too many people decided that rather than take parking regulations in the spirit of what is intended, in other words enabling everyone a fair chance at parking, they can use a 'loophole' to abuse it for their own benefit and screw everyone else - and then are 'shocked' when a law comes it to close the 'loophole'.
No - it's not 'illegal' to park in P & C spaces, it's not enforceable and no, parents don't have a 'god-given right' to use them - but it does make their lives a damn sight easier. Just like if you are on a train, or a bus, you don't *have* to offer your seat to that little old lady, or that woman struggling with holding her child, or that guy with crutches and a cast on his ankle, or taking 10 seconds out of your commute to help someone with their heavy bag up the stairs instead of walking blindly on.
It's simply about showing a bit of compassion to your fellow human beings, its realising that for a very minor inconvenience to yourself, you can make a big difference to someone else's day by not being a selfish numpty and just being a decent person!
*end rant*
*edit* In fact I found this funny essay, I don't know how harshly the swearwords are viewed so I've starred them out..
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Why do some people find this so hard to understand? If you have small children, to get them out of a childseat you have to open the door a lot wider than a normal space will allow to comfortably get them out, and then walk across a busy car park with them either tugging at their parents hand or manouvering them in a buggy.
Now, for the non-parents out there, would you rather the parents did this in specially designated area close to the entrance of the carpark or right next to your preciously pampered BMW?
Written as someone that had small children and made use of these spaces until they were old enough to get out of a car seat without smashing the door into the car next to them!
Why do some people find this so hard to understand? If you have small children, to get them out of a childseat you have to open the door a lot wider than a normal space will allow to comfortably get them out, and then walk across a busy car park with them either tugging at their parents hand or manouvering them in a buggy.
Now, for the non-parents out there, would you rather the parents did this in specially designated area close to the entrance of the carpark or right next to your preciously pampered BMW?
Written as someone that had small children and made use of these spaces until they were old enough to get out of a car seat without smashing the door into the car next to them!
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I know this is getting to be a pretty emotionally charged thread but do you really think there is any need for that? I've been suspended for similar
FWIW I don't park in these spaces but I don't agree with how regularly they are placed nor I agree that they are placed there out of the goodness of the supermarkets heart. That is the angle my point is from, not the 'I'll park there and **** everyone else' angle others in this thread have taken yet not been called an idiot for.
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Well firstly if the kids were smashing the doors into the car parked next to them then why not put the child locks on and open them yourself? and I'm sure you left your insurance details for all the cars that your kids hit. I personally would prefer anybody to use any space they like - and it be open and fair to all - if the parent is so damn stupid to not be able to control his kid and stop them damaging other peoples property then they need to be fined to stop them doing this not given a space 3 times bigger than Mars just incase. They need to be educated and stopped from doing this - it's not always the case that you'll have parents spaces, especially in NCP, etc.
As I have said numerous times the parking spaces around here are the same size as those that 'normal' people park in. So whats the advantage. Why do you feel the need to take your kids to the supermarket anyway? I've never understood this. Taking them into town I can understand or taking them to see the grandparents, again I can understand but as a couple (and please note the couple word) why would you want to take them to the supermarket? In town they use normal spaces, there are no parking spaces for child and parents yet I've never heard anyone complain about this - and yet it seems more parents use these paid for facilities. So why is it easier for parents to get into town than it is in a supermarket.
M.