I was just about to ask the same question. They were going to make clamping on Private land illegal but I'm too lazy to see if it passed or not
.Parking Eye, is there any point in appealing?
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I was just about to ask the same question. They were going to make clamping on Private land illegal but I'm too lazy to see if it passed or not
.Oddly enough my brother went to court today over a parking fine in Milton Keynes parking at Willen Lake. Havent spoken to him to see how it went but it obviously does go to court occaisonally. I think the mistake he made was to write and contest it.
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legally its not actually a fine but a parking enforcement charge. If they want it they need to see you in court, at which point its not worth the cost for them to recover.
What these 2 bit pirates do is prey on peoples fear of getting a harshly worded letter with idle threats of seeing you in the courthouse.
I have amassed over 50 such letters from a cowboy outift called roxbourgh. Personally I would wipe my bottom with it after a nice madras, then seal it in a ziplock bag in order that it retains the fresh faecal aromas and send it back to them with a single line stating 'smell this and know what you are'
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If you appeal it implies there's some validity to their claim that requires an appeal.
If I sent you a fine, would you appeal?
Same thing.
If I sent you a fine, would you appeal?
Same thing.
Indeed. Any communication with them will just get you into a corner. Remember the only reason they think they have your details correct is that they obtain your address by paying the DVLA. YOu can simply deny that nayone by that name lives there and then hang up the phone never to speak to them again
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Pretty sure Willen Lake is council run
if it is then paying up is the only option as councils do have a tendency to haul you to cour to recover parking fines as effectively as a council tax payer you are paying to take yourself to court to get fined
He as good as admitted he parked there I presume when he contested it so they could take him to court. They are NOT parking fines they are invoices and the private firms can only trace the registered keeper of a vehicle. The keeper is under no legal obligation to name the person that was driving at the time to the invoice in essence can not be enforced to anyone. Hopefully they didn't screw your brother at court.
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These are not tickets, they are invoices for services provided. The parking company beleives the DRIVER of the car owes them money for services and invoices the driver as a result.
The key here is driver.
You have been written to as the registered keeper of the vehicle. They want you to tell them who the driver was, so they know where to send/dispute/whatever the invoice.
Under Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act you are legally obliged to give details of the driver only to either a police officer or a council appointed official.
A private company is neither. There is therefore no legal obligation for you to tell them who the driver is, and the contract they beleive exists is between them and the driver, an individual whom they have no knowledge of.
Hence the recommendations to just ignore it.
The key here is driver.
You have been written to as the registered keeper of the vehicle. They want you to tell them who the driver was, so they know where to send/dispute/whatever the invoice.
Under Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act you are legally obliged to give details of the driver only to either a police officer or a council appointed official.
A private company is neither. There is therefore no legal obligation for you to tell them who the driver is, and the contract they beleive exists is between them and the driver, an individual whom they have no knowledge of.
Hence the recommendations to just ignore it.
Pretty sure Willen Lake is council run
No its privately run. The director of the leisure facilities is also director of the parking company.
quoted for truth. I don't even drive and I know this. I'd tell them where to stick the job if they're going to be that pathetic.
The job interview was held at a Holiday Inn, the company he was interviewed for have nothing to do with the parking company!
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How do these 'private companies' get the names and addresses of the registered keepers of a vehicle? Is there a database to look up that is open to private companies and now held for dvla and law enforcement?
The DVLA give them the information. Amazing isn't it? :/
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And further to this and hence the key being about a service and not a fine/ticket in court all they'd be awarded would be an amount to cover the extra time you were there and even then they'd have a hard time to prove they were financially disadvantaged by you or that a contract existed even (unless you admit to being the driver hence why I said avoid any correspondence) - so in most cases they've be awarded <£25 give or take at best which would cost them more bringing the case to court than they'd get.
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Can anyone apply and ask for such information?
Does it cost to obtain such information?
I can't see how this works under data protection.
If you are part of the approved operator scheme under the BPA you can apply to get a list of details from the DVLA for a cost.
My understanding is its not all that difficult to set up a private parking firm and get your hands on the info, especially considering the kind of cretinous monkeys that always seem to front them..
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As long as there is a cost and the DVLA actually profits from it, then it doesn't bother me so much. I would be irked to find these searches for pvt companies end up costing the taxpayer money.